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MS. WILKENS: 15 -4(a), "The clerk shall provide the committee with a sample petition form upon request." And (b), "Prior to circulating an amendment or revision petition, the committee shall give notice to the clerk of the...." The names and addresses, and the completed petition form; I guess all of that would be on there. That is what the completed form has; all of this on it, ballot summary, ballot title. All of this has to be done before they start circulating the petition so that when they circulate the petition, the public can see exactly what it is, and the clerk also knows in advance what will be on the ballot if it is a successful petition. So, everything is done beforehand instead of waiting until the end, you want it done up front so everybody knows exactly what is happening. Then you don't argue about it at the end. Also, the clerk has as their advisor, the corporation counsel. MS. JARMAN: I am still unclear because the petition form is basically what is going to be in the petition but without the signatures. So aren't you talking about the same thing? MS. WILKENS: If you think that is redundant, you can take it out. MS. JARMAN: I think Levi is right on that. Thank you. CHR. HAITSUKA: Do we have a motion to remove "completed" from Sectionl5 -4? Ms. Jarman moved to remove the word "completed" from 15- 4(b)(2). Seconded by Ms. Osborne and carried by the following vote: Ayes: Commissioners Honma, Jarman, Kealoha, Nahale -a, Osborne, Shumway and Chair Haitsuka. Noes: None. Absent: Commissioners Fuertes, Kaulukukui, Kawauchi and Unger. CHR. HAITSUKA: The next concern in our attorney's memorandum concerns determination in Section 15 -4(f) relating to the involvement of the corporation counsel in reviewing the language of the proposed petition. So, the suggestion is to add, after, "If the clerk...," add "or corporation counsel proposes alternative language...." So, "or corporation counsel" would be added after "clerk" and before, "proposes," in subsection 15 -4(f). So that gives the corporation counsel the ability to propose language for the petition. MS. JARMAN: Mr. Chair, when we worked on this language last year, in terms of the initiative and referendum, the problem was how do you resolve a conflict in language between what the clerk might want and what the petition committee wants? The thought was that it was the petition committee that drives the process; it's what they want. I wouldn't mind adding something to have corporation counsel approve it to make sure there are no 27