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how these proposals are going to look, so even if it's a matter of us consolidating, I have <br />a fear of not being really clear on how all of this is going to look together, and I don't <br />know what I'm necessarily voting on at this point. I'm concerned about voting in favor <br />of consolidating for those reasons. <br />MR. NAHALE -A: I would be willing to do this work in the education effort. So, to <br />group things together and say, "The Commission believes these are all housekeeping <br />measures and encourages you to vote, `yes'." And then, my understanding is that on the <br />ballot we can group things together that way, correct? Even though we wouldn't make <br />them one vote, we could still number them in that order, correct? <br />MR. HOOKANO: Mr. Nahale -a, are you asking about the order of the questions on the <br />ballot? <br />MR. NAHALE -A: The first point is, I think in the education effort, we could say, "We <br />believe that these measures are just housekeeping, and we encourage you to vote `yes' <br />because they give us a cleaner, better, more accurate Charter." We would have to have <br />that debate here, and I think that's a good place to have it. But, they can all be individual <br />items. My question is; on the ballot do we get to determine the order, and how they are <br />grouped? Is that correct? <br />MR. HOOKANO: Yes, I think Ms. Jarman is nodding her head. She was the County <br />Clerk, so I think she has experience in this area. <br />MR. NAHALE -A: So we could choose, for example, to say, the first five items on the <br />ballot we believe are housekeeping measures; if we agree, for argument sake. Then, we <br />could educate from there. So in the voter's minds, we can accomplish the same thing. <br />MS. JARMAN: Mr. Chair, I agree with all that has been said. Also, if you look at <br />housekeeping amendments, you would have something about civil service laws and <br />something about fire department altogether, and I think people would wonder how they <br />are related to each other. Even under housekeeping amendments, although we all agree <br />that the proper Hawaiian diacriticals are important and should be in the Charter, there <br />actually are people who think Hawaiian diacritical marks don't belong in anything <br />written in the government. So if we combine that with the other two, then people might <br />want to vote against that. Whether I agree with that position or not, I know there are <br />people that have that position. That's why I worry about combining things; because we <br />are using our value judgment, as the people who have been working on this for months <br />and months now, but our value judgments may not be the same as the value judgments of <br />the voters. We might not be able to even think of other things that the voters may have <br />some reason beyond what we are thinking of. So, I still want to vote against any <br />consolidation, even if it seems to make sense to us. Thank you. <br />MR. SHIJMWAY: Mr. Chairman, I would like to respond to that too. I think we have <br />been making value judgments all along; that is partially why we are here. I think our job <br />is to try to make it sensible to the voters. I know from personal experience, going in there <br />15 <br />