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I ' qualifications are concerned, obviously a resident of Hawaii County, and that ' s just a technical term, license to practice before the. . .Hawaii Supreme Court , as all lawyers in the state are licensed to do. And then I just put in 3 years. . .my. . .3 years in the state of Hawaii. My thought here was that we don ' t want somebody straight out of law school. We want somebody with some experience , legal experience , in the state of Hawaii , three years, five years , ten years , whatever. But, that was the reason for that sort of experience requirement. Have demonstrated expertise in administrative , municipal, and constitutional law. Those are the three terms that generally describe the kind of law we ' re dealing with here, as opposed to criminal or patent law, or some other kind of law. I belive though (inaudible) perhaps we have some (inaudible) . I blieve those are subheadings. . .subareas of law that we ' re dealing with in this case. I. . .those I listed as minimum qualifications. I also indicated some desirable quali- fications, obviously not required but , obviously if somebody has an applic. . .has working experience with the Hawaii County Charter, so much the better. I also put general familiarity with and sensitive to community values , that may be impacted by the organiation or operation of the government. Again, the idea is that somebody that has some (inaudible) and some feelings for the way the County operates and so on. And finally I threw in demonstrated community service. I kind of threw that in on the idea that other things being equal , a lawyer that has a lot of community service in his background is probably somebody that is going to be. . .is going to kokua us a little as well as charge us money. So that was the rationale there. BETHEA: Okay. If I could just make a couple of comments . The. . . I think one of the. . .you talk about desirable qualifi- cations, people who have had experience drafting legislation, for example , and the Charter is a piece of legislation, that would be a very desirable thing. Sensitivity to the community values , I don' t know, because I think we ' re going to establish the values. We may not be interested in that person ' s opinion. Salary , I don ' t think. . . I really don 't think we need a lawyer on a salary basis; I think we need him on a part-time, some sort of hourly rate basis, as and when we think it ' s necessary. As Akira pointed out, probably good for him or her to attend the meeting. But I would think we would want somebody that we could assign a specific project to. You know, research this and research that. And pay them on some hourly basis as opposed to trying to set up a salary or a retainer. JUVIK : Yeah, I think (inaudible ; missed communication due to tape change) . BETHEA: Let ' em (inaudible) . JUVIK : Akira said that last time they just got a flat. . ..they just paid a flat fee for the lawyer for the whole period, right? 62