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BETHEA : Was that the 1963? <br /> IBARRA: ' 63 was the beginning. So, that ' s the start. <br /> BETHEA : Yeah, well this was. . . <br /> IBARRA : ' 68. . . <br /> BETHEA : Yeah, but this. . .this was the minutes that you ' re <br /> referring to--the 1963 Charter Commission, or the 1968? <br /> IBARRA : ' 63. Because at ' 63 we were still in the Board of <br /> Supervisordays and so a group of people like yourself on the <br /> Charter Commission, which was authorized by statute , then had the <br /> task of deciding what form of government shall we have for the <br /> County of Hawaii. And they took what , four or five years before <br /> they could. . .came up with the present form of government . And I <br /> say , it ' s interesting to read because they ' ve had speakers who <br /> spoke on the city-manager-type of government , the strong-mayor- <br /> type of government and other input from community groups prior to <br /> making the decision as far as what to put out to the electorate as <br /> far as the recommendation from the commission. So , I just mention <br /> that because , you know, it ' s interesting reading and the <br /> transcripts. . .it seems like it ' s verbatim. Like , I think Mr. <br /> Greenwell was there , Mrs. Hale , and some of the names that you <br /> recognize, and. . . . <br /> GREENWELL : May I interject something? One of the reasons <br /> we went to strong Mayor-type of government was because of the <br /> obligating of the County by one of the supervisors of an amount <br /> that was not authorized by the Board. And to get away from that <br /> possiblility happening again, was one of the reasons why the <br /> strong-mayor-type of government was considered the best , one <br /> person that would be fully responsible. <br /> IBARRA : So now I' d like to just give you a[n] overview and <br /> discuss our present, as authorized under the County Charter, our <br /> present form of government . I have a handout , which is an <br /> organization chart , which you can follow with me. [Handout A. ] <br /> And , when we talk about a strong-mayor-type of government , like <br /> Mr. Greenwell said , actually the Charter authorizes two branches <br /> of government : the legislative branch which is vested in the <br /> Council and the executive branch which is vested in the Mayor. <br /> Now, they are co-equal branches of government with different <br /> functions , so when we talk about the strong-mayor type of <br /> government, we ' re talking about a mayor who has veto powers . <br /> And. . .you can have a mayor without a veto power and basically, the <br /> mayor has no control or cannot veto what the legislative branch <br /> passes. But when we talk about the strong mayor, that ' s what you <br /> commonly talk about in municipal law , is a mayor with veto <br /> powers. Okay. But , don ' t get me wrong. They ' re both co-equal <br /> branches of government with different functions. <br /> The Council, as the Charter says, is responsible for public <br /> 28 <br />