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actual expenses. So if this was a budget (inaudible) so they ' re <br /> using estimates (inaudible) . And what we need to know is what <br /> they actually spent. And if we say 500 hours, I mean, let ' s just <br /> say 500 hours, attorneys ' rates , I ' ve seen ' em $80 to $120 bucks <br /> an hour, you know, we ' re talking $50, 000 bucks. <br /> DUNCAN : I seem to recall that you were making a statement <br /> earlier that there was a flat fee , because if you charge on a <br /> per-hour basis, we ' ve bust our budget. <br /> CUSHNIE : Was that is that correct , Akira? <br /> OMANAHA : Yes, that ' s right (inaudible) asked Susan if we <br /> could not have the breakdown for the expenditures for the last <br /> Charter Commission, and she said she would have it ready. But I <br /> don ' t have it. <br /> CUSHNIE: This is not (inaudible) corrections? <br /> L'ORANGE : No (inaudible) budget , I think. (Inaudible) the <br /> same way that you did. <br /> JACOBS : May I say something? We checked every place we <br /> could possibly check for anything , and this is all we could come <br /> up with. The cover page was basically estimates and kind of a <br /> rough draft , one of their first ones. The other pages I finally <br /> found in accounts. Now they don ' t keep any records back to 10 <br /> years to even show what the breakdown is under, you know, those <br /> amounts that they used. And he had no other figurework at all. I <br /> mean, they just all of that stuff was thrown out. And no <br /> records were kept by anybody. <br /> CUSHNIE : There may be a possibility it might be in the <br /> previous minutes somewhere along the line . <br /> BETHEA: Well, I think right now we just don ' t know how much <br /> it ' s going to take . If, for example , we got (inaudible) simply <br /> revising this Charter and trying to patch it up, and got into a <br /> whole new system of government , we ' re not going to be able to <br /> draft something within our budget. We ' re going to have to go back <br /> and get the , you know, get the Council to do more, or say we can ' t <br /> do it. I think we. . .get back in focus on this. We may have <br /> budget problems. Could we ask them to sub tell us what they <br /> would work for, you know. <br /> JUVIK : I think that ' s going to be part of the process of <br /> hiring a lawyers , the give and take on negotiating. . .if we quit <br /> being negotiable , we can still simply add hours and begin to <br /> evaluate. <br /> BETHEA : Yep. But what I 'm. . .what your thought was, it <br /> sounds very good to me , is there may be very experienced people <br /> out there who would like the job, and because it is a public <br /> 66 <br />