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because the history has tended to be that people don' t vote along racial lines or along those kind of lines. People in fact tend frequently. . .to specifically vote to have people of different races representing them. L'ORANGE: As a follow-up then, if you had a 10-13%, let ' s say, deviation between (inaudible) multi-member districts based on what you' re saying, would that still be alright? Or would you have to get closer deviations? VAN DYKE: Probably if it was over 10 , it might be suspicious , and I 'm giving a kind of off-the-top-of-my-head answer, but I would say 5-10 probably would be acceptable. L'ORANGE: So what you' re saying is that , single-member , you could have a larger deviation on the County level . Or multi-member, it should be closer to. . . okay, thank you. JWIK: Just want to follow up on your experiences in reapportionment . Is . . . if we were to go to a single-member district system, in which we would then need to develop a reapportionment provision for the County Charter, are there any specific. . .and recognize that it is basically part of the process , based on your own experience, are there provisions that you can just fairly simply state that you think might be useful in such a reapportionment provision in the Charter , that would at least tend to protect the rights of everybody on the island in all of the geographic areas and so on? VAN DYKE: Yes , the Hawaii Constitution, not the present one, but the previous one, tried to state a series of principals that involved things like trying to keep islands together , and trying to not have dramatic geographical splits in the districts and things of that sort. So one could come up with a list like that and talk about it , natural geographical boundaries and so on. But it. . .applying those in the real world do tend to become difficult. And so I would recommend that what you try to do is simply de-politicize the reapportionment body. In other words , have it somehow selected in a non-political process , to the intent that that ' s possible so that you have people that have no stake in the process drawing the lines . And I think that ' s the safest protection against gerrymandering. JWIK: Are you suggesting (inaudible)? VAN DYKE: Well , you could have it appointed by a judge, for instance, or somebody outside the political . . . the active political process . Something of that sort. BETHEA: Alright , Jon. Did you want to continue on the other? 112