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VAN DYKE: Yeah, let me just go through the ideas that I had as I was reading the Charter and, base the (inaudible) on my discussions with Bob. The question of initiative and recall and referendum is , of course, always a lively one. And in the Hawaii County Charter , one thing that I noticed is that the percentage of signatures necessary varies with regard to initiative, recall and referendum. It ' s 15% of the people that voted in the last mayoral election for initiative; 25% for recall ; and 20% for proposing an amendment to the Charter through the (inaudible) process . So you have three different numbers , without any particular reason as to why they ought to be different. And each of those numbers is relatively high in comparison to other areas that use the initiative. On Oahu, for example, it ' s 10% for each of those categories . And there was an attempt to raise it to 20% on Oahu, which was defeated. So you may want to consider either standardizing those three numbers and possibly lowering them, depending on how you feel about the appropriateness of this process , whether it ought to be encouraged or what . The other thing that is . . .was interesting to me as I was going through your Charter is that the provision on limiting topics for initiatives had been deleted, I guess in 1982, so that now that there are no limits on initiatives. And I 'm not familiar with exactly what the political dynamics of that were, but you may want to discuss whether or not there ought to be some limits . You have a kind of, what we call , an indirect initiative in the sense that the. . .once an initiative is proposed, the Council is supposed to look at the matter and decide whether or not to adopt the matter, and it only gets put on the ballot if the Council decides not to. I think that ' s a sensible provision. The other question that is left unclear is whether or not a signature, once put on an initiative ballot , is good indefinitely. The. . . there doesn' t seem to be an answer to that in the Charter. So that you could have people gathering signatures for three or four or five years and then turning them into the Clerk. Probably, that ' s not a good idea, that there probably ought to be some limit and if. . . in other words , the petition drive ought to lapse after two years , or something like that , if the prerequisite number of signatures are not obtained. And so you may want to say something about that. BETHEA: It looks like there is a limitation. . . VAN DYKE: Sorry, maybe I . . . 113