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And in addition, the other remedy is , that the people can simply vote against the recall . In other words , it ' s not something that the courts need to supervise aggresively, because the. . .ultimately, the good sense of the voter will protect the process against abuse. Sometimes the voters don' t exercise as much good sense as we would like, but ultimately that is the source of all power in our system. So, we have to I think rely on the people taking it seriously. L'ORANGE: Jon, I 'd just like to comment that I 've seen a lot of people that do it very responsibly. Okay. I mean, most of thep etition drives (inaudible) very responsibly. But there have been some real abuses where people go in car windows and sticking the thing in the car. BETHEA: Ms . Cushnie. CUSHNIE: Mr. Chairman, I might just comment that perhaps those sticking the initiative or petitions in the window are not taking it seriously. Because as we went through the Hapuna Beach initiative recently, that came under very (inaudible) scrutiny by the County Clerk. And he does have a rather detailed description of what he can accept before he certifies the petition. And (inaudible) may have some gray areas which you may want to further pursue with the County Clerk. But he does have on page 22 , Section 11 . 5 , specific areas in which he needs to certify that it is correct and it can be challenged in court , does not meet that certification. Also, on. . . just above 11-6 , referring back to signatures being withdrawn, Section. . .paragraph A just above 11-6 , any of the people withdraw their signatures from the petition. And I thought that in going through the difficulty with County Clerk there was a time limitation as to how far back the signatures could be collected. He was accepting them back to the last election that had referred to Hapuna Beach. He had a specific. . . but that we could look into to. I think. . . BETHEA: I would suggest that the commission needs to answer that question. There' s no point in the County for having to struggle around and having to guess what is right or what is wrong. I think one of the things that we can do and, for example, is to make that very clear. And I think I. . .we talked about that , whether you saw anything else in those provisions that simply wasn' t clear that we could clear up as a commission. I think that ' s one of the things we want to be alert to as we go through the Charter. OMANAKA: Mr. Chairman. I 've had some phone calls with Rudy Legaspi , the former clerk. And if you send him an invitation, he said he' s be glad to come in and talk about the. . . 116