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OMANAKA: Mr. Chairman? <br /> BETHEA: Yeah. <br /> OMANAKA: Regarding your comment about different <br /> percentages of recall and initiative, I think the thought <br /> behind that is not to allow a recall procedure that easily. <br /> See, that way, I think. . . the initiative, maybe we should have a <br /> lower (inaudible) . And that ' s (inaudible) . <br /> VAN DYKE: Well , I think, you know, that ' s a defensive <br /> position. <br /> JUVIK: You mentioned that the percentage of signatures <br /> required for many. . .for all three of these are extremely lower <br /> in the other than this County and note, for example, in certain <br /> (inaudible) in California, initiative requirements are about 5% <br /> or 8% in some cases . Could you put a number on, sort of an <br /> average across the U. S. ? Or is it pretty varried? <br /> VAN DYKE: Yeah, it does vary. But I think 10a is <br /> probably normal. Of course, in some communities . . . but it ' s <br /> easier to get to than others , just by the way people function <br /> and the extent to which they' re accessible in shopping centers <br /> and so on. So you know, I don' t think there ' s a right or wrong <br /> way, but I suspect that Hawaii County figures are a little big <br /> higher than normal . <br /> BETHEA: Other questions on that subject? <br /> L'ORANGE: I have a question on the initiative <br /> (initiative) . Is there any way that you can make the <br /> collection of signatures follow the rules? I 've seen it happen <br /> in Kona and it just. . . the guys all just say, sign this , sign <br /> this , sign this , and you know there' s no explanation; there' s <br /> no. . .nothing that ' s done, except you know there' s not the <br /> statement or anything. It ' s just the pages. And is there <br /> anything that we could do or look at that makes the process , <br /> you know, valid for all parties? <br /> VAN DYKE: Well , I think the language is fairly good <br /> that ' s now in there, which requires that the statement be on <br /> the document that is being signed and that people sign it <br /> knowingly. So it may be a question of enforcement rather than <br /> the law. <br /> In Oahu, after the last recall . . .after the (inaudible) <br /> council , this was litigated aggressively. The council people <br /> that . . . (inaudible) a republican, were recalled by a driver <br /> (inaudible) or others were organized. And Patsy was then sued <br /> for improperly conducting the recall. And the court ' s <br /> dismissed their claim saying that it seemed like the process <br /> had been okay. <br /> 115 <br />