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Now, the second part of your question, you ' ll have to rephrase. BETHEA: I 'm sorry I missed that. CUSHNIE: What needs to be done in the state? DUNCAN: -:Yeah, I mean this is a politically driven system, whether it ' s the. . .when you seek money for differ- ent programs . What is it that we can do on the state level in order to make our Council work more effectively? SMITH: Well. . . I have to go back and write another . . . BETHEA: What do you do to the state system, is that was the question is? DUNCAN: I mean, we could. . . I mean, it ' s very difficult to disagree that everyone wants professionalism. Okay. We want to see the best professionals looking out for our people ' s interest. . . for our community interests . I 'm wondering if, you know, if. . . is it a problem with the system, or is it a problem with the. . .with just people, you know, and their level of professionalism with their ability to hire people that best represent. . . SMITH: To a certain extent, it ' s part of the political culture of the state. To a certain extent , it ' s part of the political culture of the state and that ' s kind of interesting and it ' s problematical. And if you were. . . if you were persuaded to put something like this before the voters , it would be very difficult to convince them to go along with it because there are many people in between that don' t see anything wrong with having some guy that' s never done anything, having anything to do with his department, but has 300 employees and a hugh budget, running it . Yeah, but you know, he' s lived here for 20 years . So, I mean, that's qualification enough . In most communities , that doesn' t wash. The comment I make in here about in how some communities , it ' s considered repugnant to have to buy fund-raising tickets from the person that regulates your business . Across the country, you would be able. . . I go to conferences and I talk to people about local government, and we compare notes . This does happen in other communities , but it ' s pretty rare. It ' s pretty rare that you get the kind of fund- raising you have on all levels throughout, that we have in Hawaii County. And there ' s . . .as I say, that's part of the political culture, but not. . . I 'm not sure that it couldn' t be changed. And I think that there are some structural changes that could be made, small changes . DUNCAN: Well, there' s a lot of attention paid to, I 175