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believe,. the heads of the department, that are often changed . . . they 're changed in politics , etcetera. The department, heads seem to get all the attention. However , the system is (inaudible) by the civil service system that is set up, I guess . . . I . . .with the federal government, and that' s probably the most cumbersome civil service system, where you know, we all complain that dead wood is protected. It ' s not set up on an incentive basis . You have to violate the law in order to get fired, and to have. . .etcetera. Do you see that as perhaps being the root of the problem primarily and not just, .I mean, if we're looking for efficient govern- ment, there has to be a change straight across the board from the top. . . from the bottom on up to the top. Because the leader cannot be effective unless his people are effective? SMITH: I 'm full of civil service reforms--none of which you probably have time or inclination. . . if you do have time I 'm here. I 'm full of civil service reforms . That ' s what I teach . And we can. . .we can. . . I had a personnel administration tutorial this afternoon when we. . . I spent an hour talking about evaluation. . .personnel evaluation, problems in evaluation, setting up evaluation structures . That ' s a different kettle of fish. And it ' s very difficult to get at. The problem. . .however , there is one bright side if you want to call it that. The civil service problems of Hawaii has . . .are not atypical. They ' re very similar to civil service problems that governments have all across the country. . However , there are other aspects of County bureacracy that are atypical and (inaudible) mention. JUVIK: Mr.. Chairman? BETHEA: Yes . JUVIK: One of the potential remedies you suggested here were. . .were addressing some of the. . . the de-politicalization process or at least providing more . equitable public input, is the possibility of publicly financed elections. Could you elaborate a little bit more on that and I 'm particularly interested if there are. . . are precedents at the County level across the country. . . the municipal level for public financing of political. . .of election campaigns for council or mayor or campaigns . SMITH: I doubt it. The. . . I had (inaudible) but I doubt it. And that would be a radical move. Hawaii ' s made radical moves . Their constitution was written at a time when. . .and it was . . . incorporated many things that were 176:.