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patrolling, station-house duties,, guard posts , surveillances , special details and emergency duty. I will admit at' this point that our reserve program needs . . . leaves much to be desired. We have only five reserves a day, except for one out t o w a r d i_n Kona. We 're trying to rejuvenate that program as much as possible, as we can really use the help. Right now the department is comprised of 296 sworn police personnel and 83 civilian types which should bring us to a total of 379. We operate on a budget of approxi- mately $18 million dollars a year . That essentially concludes my presentation., Mr . Chairman. Will be glad to answer any questions. BETHEA: Thank you very kindly. I was just hoping Mr . Greenwell would: (inaudible). orn:the.numbers. In the Hilo division, I have 95 (inaudible) . And. . .well, I guess I think of Kona-:cahrch' should. be South _Kohala and Kona, 88. So that ' s fairly well divided according to population. In other words , under the present structure, you generally speaking have police services available where the population is . VIERRA: Yes , sir . It ' s . . . it' s hard to use traditional personnel justifications on this island. The standard is normally to justify positions based on population. .:.On this island here, because of its size, we often have to resort to a distance struggle. We have situations in some of our larger districts such as Puna and Ka' u where our policemen are 45 minutes apart, which is a serious safety concern to us . The end resultis the. . policemen have stayed together for safety and the citizen is suffering from the lack of patrol in the outer limits of the district. But it ' sdifficult to just pin down one way of justifying police. You can go on size of the district and population and case load. They 're any number of ways of doing it.. In Kona and Hilo, obviously it ' s population that calls for service. BETHEA: I see for example North Kohala with ten people. Now where would they work out of? Or say South Kohala with 18? That ' s the Waimea? VIERRA: Yes , sir . BETHEA: And North Kohala with 10, would be Haleiwa? VIERRA: No. That substation upon Kumakau, I mean. . . CUSHNIE: Kapaau. 195