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CUSHNIE: Thank you for bearing with me. VIERRA: Sure. CUSHNIE: Do you feel then that the commission needs to be refined in terms of the process necessary for complaints , even if they don' t require investigation? VIERRA: I think so. As it stands now, when a. . . when a citizen complains to the commission, the complaint is turned over to the department to investigate. That could work , and then again it could be covered up depending on the. . . the administrator involved. There ' s no real check and balance in that system. You have to rely entirely on. . . GREENWELL: (Inaudible) proof of (inaudible) good. . . proof of that would be a very good idea. VIERRA: I agree. I think the citizen should be represented by. a civilian board within limits , of course. BETHEA: If I could just summarize for the record what it looks like to me that confuse. . . that the confusion arises from is that Section 7-2.4 givesthe commission certain specific duties, the appointment and removal of the chief , and the confirmation of the chief ' s appointment of the deputy and the removal of the deputy. And you know that the commission has that specific authority . Further- more, and this is something else that needs to be cleared up , in 7;2 . 5 , it says , outlining the duties of the chief, it says shall have such other powers , duties and functions as may be required by the Police Commission, which in (inaudible) then had information that there is some other power in the Police Commission, other than that which has been listed. And then it goes on to say in 7-2.3 , except for purposes of inquiry, neither the commission nor its members shall interfere , etcetera. So it opens it up and suggests that there are powers of inquiry. And then it says it will adopt such rules as it may consider necessary to its conduct or its business . I think we need to keep in mind, at least in my opinion, when we get down to particulars , that that is very confusing. It doesn ' t tell the commission what it can do and what it can' t do and we need to work on it. Let me ask you one specific question. With respect to the discharge or termination of a chief of police, should there be a for-cause requirement for some sort. . . should there be a Charter . . .a. . .something more than a majority vote that is necessary? VIERRA: Yes , I think the. . . the responsibility of the chief. . .the decisions he has to make, often alienate a lot 201