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of people, even though they (inaudible) and it ' s very difficult to function that way, especially knowing that, you know, you have a powerful person on the commission that controls three more votes and your job is history. What I 'd like to see is our Charter aligned with the charters of the other three counties and, if I may just briefly quote from the Honolulu charter : Section 7 , the chief of police shall be appointed by the police commission. He may be removed by the police commission only after being given a written statement of the charges against him and a hearing before the commission. They still can remove him, but I think for the purposes of the citizens , and for him and the department, that if there is some wrongdoing, that he should be like anybody else (inaudible) the written Charter , at least have a hearing. It ' s obvious there are no stipulations for that, that the whim. . .you know, and we look at it, political appointee. I can envision situations arising where, and this has happened before, you have the chief investigating a commissionerbecause of deeds of criminal wrongdoing and that commissioner wields his power to hire and fire him, that chief is either gonna go ahead and put his put his job on the line or he ' s going to back off and allow the criminal misconduct to continue. And that places him and the department in a very precarious situation. The department should be completely removed from any politics . And they should be able to proceed and investigate anybody that has been charged for or alleged to have been involved in criminal misconduct . The way our Charter is written now itputs the chief in the. . . the situation where he may have to butter up to keep his job and I don' t think that 's the position he should be in. BETHEA: Well, obviously a. .written charges and a hearing doesn' t solve that. And since the people go through it, you ' ve got. . .somebOdy's got 4 votes and ,they're against you, I would assume that you have,aright to have (inaudible) through whatever hearing procedures . It suggests to me that if this is a valid point, that either you would want to have something more than a simple majority suffice to discharge. Or you could have some sort of a for-cause criteria. Perhaps with some further review. Something to give the chief a little more security and at the same time to discharge something. . . someone for misconduct or failure to fill the. duties . I just point that out. - Do you know whether or not any of the other charters as I . . . GREENWELL: Yeah, well I think the wording the chief suggested that what the other three-charters have does take care of that. 202