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r j Adminintr.ator to reflect the need for die urban approach to most of the problems with'which they •deal. • Baldwin: Under the city 'manager type who is responsible • for budgeting--city manager or the council? • Markey: It depends on which aspect of the budget you mean. For the preparation of the budget, the ' city manager is res- ponsible. For getting budget estimates , setting up the • bud get calendar, for getting these estimates into the depart® tents , talking to the departments about their estimates , • attempting to keep them realistic in terms of their program and then preparing the budget document for pr 6sentation to_ the council, the city manager is also responsible . .The council is responsible for enacting this budget, and for holding . hearings on the budget where there are disagreements . . . Baldwin: He is more in the category of a business adminis- trator than a professional? - . Markey: He is a professional administrator with a business orientation when he is preparing the budget. Insofar as the . budget is concerned, the city Administrator is able to lend - to the government what others could not in that he sees this . budget, not in financial terms , but in program terms so that the budget . is the city or county' s plan for the activity of its department for the ensuing year(s) , and then this program is put in monetary terms . He says to the council ,"what k. _nd�g. 'of program do you want for this community for the next year: He then tries to. translate this policy into each departiuent' s . . • responsibility for this particular program. He gives the . council a program-typebudget so when they decide they do not - - �- • want to cut this off, they Ethey9 want, to spend this X20 ,CuQ or know what they're cutting off . It isn' t $20 ,00Q they' re cutting . off, it' s two nights recreation program at a particular area . . that they are cutting¢ offg etc. . Koehnen: What is the extent of the authority normally given - a city manager in terms of hiring, firing, p g g� department heads? . Markey: Most city managers insist that they have authority to hire department heads, fire these department heads--most department heads where there is a City Manager type of govern • ment are Civil Service employees . Sometimes the. City Manager, himself , is a Civil Service employee although he prefers not to be in most instances. The council holds him responsible for the program. . Koehnen: There are something like 22 counties in the United States that have county-mangers . Do you have -any material as to how the counties have fared as opposed to city managers? • Markey: They have fared approximately equal to the City Manager cities . The counties that have taken on county-manager form are the urban type counties that feel that they are now giving . the same urban-type services that cities are giving. Baldwin: Does this *privilege of authority to fire require council approval? -- Markey: It may or may not. If the charter says that he can hire. and fire without Council approval , then he can. The logic for this is that his administrative responsibility is . diluted if he must got council approval to fire people . This is an administrative, not a political pi;oblem. •