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{ t 5/23/79 Meeting vocational skills which are very important, you must know the intricacies of the job you are going to perform. As you get higher up the ladder, the degree . of vocational skills an individual needs become less and less and the so-called administrative skills then start. becoming more and more important particulary as you know head of an operation, the administrative skills often times much', much more important although I think having come up through the various managerial levels , the individual who has the extra credential such as a professional engineer's certificate or whatever, it's a definite plus , it enables the individual perhaps to see "things that a 'pure administrator would not, but I would think at that level , the emphasis has to be on the administrative skills and not the technical skills of the individual . TANAKA: I have a question to Akira. Back you know because we were all not here now, back when you first came On board as the Department Manager, you had the opportunity to hire Ed or was Ed already here. • MANAGER. He was here. TANAKA: As the--- MANAGER: In fact, he was here before me. - TANAKA: He was the assistant here already. HOHU: No, no,- he knew I was a good thing, so he hired me. MANAGER: . Okay.. Put it this way. When the Department was organized, it was organized in 1950, I graduated from the university then and I got a job at the County Public Works and Bill Thompson, my classmate, got hired at the Board of Water Supply and Ed was with the Board of Water Supply; in fact, he was with . the Burau of Waterworks in the County. And, in 1961 , when the first Manager Cappy Chun retired, Bill Thompson became manager and then I became his deputy; and, at that time, Ed became an engineer and he worked his way from draftsman, engineering aid. And you know as a deputy I was more in charge of the engineering so we started our standards because the problems we had before the County use to use substandard materials because money, not being able to have enough funds, they had galvanized iron pipes here and there; because of politics , the lines were improperly designed just to satisfy some people, -12 • -