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SIRACUSA: The original one? <br />OLSON: The one that's in the book. <br />SIRACUSA: No, it's not valid any longer. Things have changed. <br />OLSON: But I mean, the thing is that, yeah, we know that it needs to be redone. <br />SIRACUSA: But we still have to go with it until we can redo the, the CDP which is long over <br />is already overdue for amending, yeah. <br />IKEDA: I can say the two of you—the two of you really changed. <br />SIRACUSA: Yeah. Times change here in certainly in Puna <br />IKEDA: I mean the two of you really changed <br />SIRACUSA: —They changed faster than anywhere else. I mean, we have the incredibly <br />changing landscape, right? <br />AGUINALDO: Mr. Commissioner, I have one. So, Rene, Jon, Mr. Quinn, Zendo, like what <br />Commissioner Ikeda stated, if we approve this, there might be consequences that John Doe here <br />want to commercialize this now. I see what Mr. Quinn is trying to achieve. We feel for you. I <br />don't want to seeI don't want to be in your position. You're having a feed shop, but like what <br />Mr. Ikeda said is that knowingly, it's considered like commercial, but I strongly, you know, for <br />myself, II like your idea, but for us as Commissioners is understanding what we approve today <br />is you going to have to accept, you know, the decision isI'd like to say `em in Hawaiian. You <br />cannot make haka ka. Haka ka meaning you cannot grumble after -the -fact what is being said on <br />black and white. You have to hold true to it. There's been times in Pahoa that commissioners <br />approve it, next you know, whoom! What is this going on? We'd like to see growth. That's <br />that's positive growth. When I say positive, it's not competing with pre-existing businesses in <br />Pahoa trying to slice, you know, cut their throat and take over. You're unique. You're the only <br />one that I've seen, but as commissioners, what we approve on a positive standpoint, it has to be <br />hold true, you know, and I strongly feel, there's things that I cannot discuss as a commissioner <br />where I sat, and like Mr. Ikeda said, you know, they changed. Yeah. So <br />QUINN (from audience): Gilbert? <br />AGUINALDO: Yes? <br />QUINN (from audience): Can I say one more thing? <br />AGUINALDO: Please come in the mic. <br />SIRACUSA: Can I, can I respond to that? <br />EXHIBIT E <br />18 <br />