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DARROW: Correct.
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<br />HALL: Okay, thank you.
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<br />KAY: Thank you.
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<br />VITOUSEK: You know, to me, going on about this, the issue here is public access, you know. I
<br />mean, to me, I would be a lot more comfortable, if there was a much clearer path requiring
<br />public access so that, you know, the community can get some benefit out of the area as well.
<br />Would you guys be willing to insert additional language about requiring public access by a
<br />certain point in here?
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<br />LIM: Lateral shoreline public access is allowed from the north and from the south. The only
<br />thing that’s missing is the driving in and parking at the interpretive center.
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<br />VITOUSEK: Sure, and that’s what I would like to see because it’s a long way in, and, you
<br />know, kūpuna are not able to walk that long ways in from both sides.
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<br />LIM: Well, what’s happened over the past several years now is that anybody who wants to
<br />practice cultural practices or the school groups, they’ve been allowed to go down and they get
<br />toured and educated by Aunty Lei. And, you know, that’s why the preservation plan is important
<br />because we, I don’t think anybody wants a group just running around down there in the cultural
<br />preserve. So that’s why it’s a little bit sensitive for us.
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<br />VITOUSEK: Completely understand, I completely understand, you know, I understand the
<br />importance of public access, I understand the risk of public access to a sensitive area, completely
<br />get that. But we have plans in place to manage these things, you know, resource management
<br />plans, and, you know, implementing those plans are a requirement of the, the thing I want to be
<br />saying is I think we need to make sure that we have that condition in place so that we have the
<br />adequate resources there to make sure that the public access doesn’t impact these sites, but
<br />allows public access to occur. And, for me, you know, the existing language where it doesn’t
<br />require public access to be released until after the golf course is built when we have no plans to
<br />build the golf course, seems like we just, and the developers themselves saying that they would
<br />like to open it as soon as possible, to me, it seems like it would come together nicely with, you
<br />know, just another condition in there indicating that, you know, extensions will be granted
<br />subject to opening public access within a certain time frame.
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<br />LIM: We don’t have the authority to agree to any changes in conditions. You know, this was
<br />mostly, at least from our point of view, a status report exercise, and if my clients were thinking
<br />that they had to come in here and start to negotiate all the new conditions all over again, I don’t
<br />know, I don’t have a, you know, client position on that right now for me today. I think that the,
<br />you know, just the nature of the archaeological sites and the preservation plan that’s been
<br />proposed, I think for us to open it up before the buffers are established and the treatments are
<br />approved by SHPD, is a little bit dangerous for the developer. You know, we don’t have, I mean
<br />and I’m sure the Planning Department and the Planning Commission hasn’t had a clamor of
<br />people asking to access the shoreline in that area. If you really want to go, you can go. So, you
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