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architects, designers, believe me, project district people, whatever these guys are, and it's been
<br />very expensive honestly. We've had to pay everybody along the way, and it's been a big
<br />education. And, so, it's not that we haven't been trying to move ahead. We've been trying.
<br />We've had all these project people. We've been clearing the land. We've been—and we had
<br />project subdivisions. We've gone out to bid. There are some issues, and it's really a financial
<br />thing where we're tryingso, when we found out after we got all the bids, that some of these are
<br />financially onerous, when in the beginning they said oh, put in underground utilities. Oh yeah,
<br />that's a good idea, we'll put in gold -paved streets, well that's a great idea. Put in curb, gutter,
<br />sidewalk, oh yeah, that's fine, put in you know, 80 -foot wide roads, and we said oh sure, that
<br />sounds good. That costs, I don't know, ten thousand, twenty thousand more, we don't have no
<br />idea. When it comes out to multi -millions more, that's when everything stops. That's why we
<br />had to stop, we had to stop and said this is not going to go. And, we've had supermarkets,
<br />drugstores, we had a lot of people come in but when they look at the numbers, and we had these
<br />big developers come in, they look at the numbers, it doesn't pencil out. They leave.
<br />So, we still have a developer who still believes in us, and we're working hard to make this
<br />number one goal. We're trying to get a master planned community for Hilo, right in the middle
<br />of Hilo. It's never been done, and the location is good. The idea is good. The benefits for the
<br />locals, for local people to live, more, is phenomenal, and we can plan this. And, I a hundred
<br />percent agree with the Director on connectivity, walkability, live -ability, all of those things, and
<br />we've been through a lot of that discussion, too. Some of it makes sense. Some of it doesn't
<br />make, you know, it's okay for the mainland, not so good for Hilo, but walkability, walking paths,
<br />that's all a good thing. Density, I know, Councilman Ikeda is a little concerned about that, but to
<br />get walkability and sustainability and everything together and efficient, you've gotta get density.
<br />You can't have people spread out and have walkability. People are not going to walk.
<br />So, it's not that we haven't done, we have been working on a lot of different things, believe me.
<br />And, as you know, we're not developers. You know, we got into this to build a medical campus,
<br />and it is bigger than that obviously. So, that's a long answer to your question.
<br />CLARKSON: Thank you very much. Are there any other questions?
<br />IKEDA: Yes, I do. Peter, you know, part of the problem is they not, well maybe this should go
<br />to the Director but, it seems like you don't have access to the Komohana or Mohouli on your
<br />Condition Q, you know, for, isn't that for the lot that's, how shall I say, closer to the Sunrise
<br />Estate?
<br />MATSUURA: No, there is a roadway access. That's on the other side of the Alenaio, the south
<br />side of the Alenaio. There is a roadway access there.
<br />IKEDA: There is a roadway access?
<br />MATSUURA: Yeah, it's the one-way road coming in. And, even with driveway access, I mean,
<br />the driveway access is really more for like the supermarkets to bring their big trucks in so they
<br />don't have to utilize the only access that they've rented, right? So, when your 40 -foot containers
<br />come in, humbug. And, so we're just asking for a little bit of leeway so that, and actually, it
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