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KAY: [Inaudible.] [Mr. Kay gave Mr. Quinn the PowerPoint clicker to use.] <br />QUINN: Okay, this is not the—this is the permitted access area. If you see this embankment <br />here—all I did was press it once, doggone it. [Referring to the PowerPoint screen.] <br />AGUINALDO: Oh, too fast. <br />QUINN: You're dealing with an old timer, buddy, and I just haven't caught up. I haven't <br />caught up to all this technology. I'm so sorry. All right, which one with the light? <br />Got it. Okay so, this embankment goes around here. The 30.1 -inch area—you see how this is <br />angled in right here, this little piece of pavement? <br />AGUINALDO: Right. <br />QUINN: The 30 feet goes from that little section all the way to here, almost to this embankment. <br />So, that's the 30 -feet, 1 -inch. Department of Transportation requirements is a 22 -foot front with <br />6 -foot sides, on the side coming out like this. We'll probably miss it by a foot on this side, and a <br />foot on that side, and that's where I was going to go down and meet with Mr. Yee, and ask <br />Mr. Yee because this land all over here is the State. If Mr. Yee would just grant me one foot, <br />and one foot—and then we would have the required, Department of Transportation's 22 feet <br />front with 6 -foot sides, and that's the requirements from Department of Transportation. We miss <br />it by about two feet. <br />CLARKSON: I'm still confused about the 2,000 yards. I mean, this area looks relatively flat <br />KERN: —Yeah, so what the issue was is not there. Yeah, that would require no fill. There was <br />this, the Jan's Barber Shop Road as it's kind of traditionally referred to, on the back side, there's <br />a road that runs between this property and basically a long-time standing road in Pahoa that's an <br />easement that at the last meeting we looked at that as a potential alternative access. <br />CLARKSON: Can we see the aerial photo, please? I'm just, I want to get <br />AGUINALDO: Mr. Quinn, you should hold tight. You should hold tight. Might get some <br />rocks. Serious, yeah. <br />HALL: Oh, Gilbert <br />CLARKSON: The access to Mr. Quinn's property on the very Hilo side almost touches that <br />road. <br />KERN: No, the access to Mr. Quinn's property would be on the Pahoa side on the other the <br />opposite side. So, where he was just pointing out as far as the permitted access goes would be on <br />the opposite side. It would be on the lower side of the map. Christian, can you point at the <br />Pahoa side where the permitted access area is now? <br />EXHIBIT D <br />13 <br />