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<br /> KUBOTA: Exhibit 4A is an aerial photo of Pepeekeo Mill Camp, and this is <br /> <br /> probably taken more recently. There's not a date on it, but this shows the existence of <br /> 153 camp houses. And, again, the evidence that we submitted to the Planning Director <br /> included census information that showed that as of June 30, 1944, there are, I believe, the <br /> 152 houses, I think, shown on the census information. <br /> HIATT: Okay. As you understand it, has the County ever disputed that <br /> each of these three camp subdivisions was existing and occupied prior to 1944 for each of <br /> the lots in question? <br /> KUBOTA: No, the County has not disputed that fact. <br /> HIATT: Okay. Now I'm going to go, excuse me. I want to go just for the <br /> record so that the, we're keeping up with the other exhibits that are in the 2, 3, and 4 <br /> series. Can you summarize for the Board what are the "B" series of Exhibits 2B, 3B, and <br /> 4B'? <br /> KUBOTA: The "B" series of exhibits in 2B, 3B and 4B are copies of camp <br /> resident affidavits that were submitted to the County with the request. We found <br /> residents from each of the camps, and I personally interviewed them, and basically <br /> established that they lived in the camps prior to that date. Where there was a rental <br /> history, I documented that. And where the residents said that they had the exclusive use <br /> of their houses and lots, it was also documented in the affidavit. So that's the `B" series. <br /> HIATT: Okay. And what, okay, that ends it for those. <br /> So why was it important whether they had exclusive use of their home, and why was it <br /> important whether they were paying rent? <br /> KUBOTA: Okay. That's important issues. Because in, as we'll discuss a little <br /> bit later in the application of the law and the rules which apply to recognition of pre- <br /> existinglots, the County has always taken the position, I believe, from 1944 that where <br /> there were lots of record which existed as of the adoption of the County Subdivision <br /> Code on November 22, 1944, those lots have, are recognized as pre-existing the <br /> Subdivision Code. And, therefore, they're lots of record. <br /> In order to show that the lots were separate, it either have to be sold, or carved out, or <br /> leased out separately so that different people had exclusive uses of the lots. And that's <br /> why the exclusivity part of the affidavit is somewhat important in that a camp resident <br /> who had a house had the right to say, "hey, get off my house, get off of my lot." And they <br /> occupied the houses as part of their employee contract, which, at that time, was typically <br /> three years on a labor contract; and as part of the contract, they received the right to use <br /> the house. <br /> 9 <br /> <br />