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With respect to that Exhibit 4A, can you just explain in an overview where the Board let <br /> <br /> the, oh, sorry. Can you explain in an overview for the Board what the layout as shown by <br /> R. M. Towill is on those, on those lots? What do the lines show? <br /> KUBOTA: The lines overlaid onto the lots correspond with lots of record that <br /> <br /> were requested and granted by Hamakua Housing in 1995. The, the lines themselves are <br /> <br /> basically a tax map, exactly the same from the tax map, and is overlaid onto the photos. <br /> WATT: Here's a pointer if you want to use it. Just press this thing. Okay. <br /> <br /> Okay. So let's go through those for a minute. This is 6A, Kekoa Camp, correct? <br /> <br /> KUBOTA: Correct. <br /> <br /> WATT: And Papaaloa Camp, can you tell us what that was and where it <br /> <br /> was? <br /> KUBOTA: Well, Papaaloa, as you know, is located basically just makai of <br /> Laupahoehoe. And the Papaaloa Skilled Camp application actually involved mainly these <br /> <br /> properties here. This is the Papaaloa Skilled Camp. These are, the lots up here were <br /> already in existence, and we're not making any claim that the County granted these. It <br /> were, the application included these lots up to about this vacant lot right here. <br /> HIATT: Okay. Now I've circled that, and I circled a couple of lots here on <br /> Kekoa. Why were the circles placed around those lots? <br /> KUBOTA: Yes, in Kekoa Camp, you'll notice these two red circle lots there. <br /> Those lots were vacant at the time of the application. And I believe it was shown on the <br /> subdivision maps that Hamakua Housing submitted at the time that they were vacant. <br /> They were granted and given separate lots of record. <br /> WATT: Now the "B" series of exhibits, 6B for example, does that have <br /> those vacant lots highlighted? <br /> KUBOTA: Yes, the "B" series of exhibits in your file, are copies of real <br /> property tax printouts. The printouts were from 1996 f?om the Real Property Tax Office. <br /> And we marked on the "B" series of exhibits which lots were vacant. We highlighted the <br /> vacant ones in yellow. And where there was anon-residential building on the property <br /> like a commercial building or a garage building, that got a vacant lot, that got a lot status, <br /> they are highlighted in pink. So that's the 6B, 7B, 8B and all those series. <br /> WATT: Okay. Why is it important whether the County pre-approved, <br /> approved a subdivision with vacant lots in this Hamakua Housing application? <br /> KUBOTA: Well, if you apply the standard of you would only, the County <br /> would only grant what is existing there and currently leased out to camp residents, you <br /> 11 <br /> <br />