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can't, you cannot give those vacant lots. The standard, I believe, that was a part in 1995 <br /> <br /> was, were those lots in occupancy as of November 22, 1944. And because there were, <br /> <br /> they were granted lot status. <br /> HIATT: Okay. So the standard wasn't whether they were occupied or you <br /> were creating housing for people who needed it in 1995 at the time these subdivision <br /> <br /> were approved? These lots, vacant, unoccupied, they were approved and granted <br /> subdivision status in 1995? <br /> KUBOTA: Correct. As we will get to later, there's some exhibits, [mean, <br /> letters from the County to the applicant that basically said we're granting the status <br /> because they were separated out as camp lots as of November 22, 1944. And that's the <br /> only date that was relevant. <br /> HIATT: And I pause there for a moment, because that's probably the most <br /> important piece of information we're going to convey to you today, gentlemen. <br /> <br /> And so Kekoa was the first one that had vacant lots, correct? <br /> KUBOTA: Correct. <br /> HIATT: Papaaloa was the second one, that also had vacant lots at the time <br /> <br /> the County approved it? <br /> KUBOTA: Yes, there was that one vacant lot. <br /> HIATT: Okay. Waipunale, can you tell us about Waipunale? <br /> KUBOTA: Waipunale is a small camp located between the second and third <br /> gulch. It's along the oceanfront. And that lot right there that's circled is not a vacant lot, <br /> but it was a garage structure that, that was given lot status. <br /> HIATT: On this visual aid where it's a garage or commercial structure as <br /> opposed to a home, I put a little "c" by the circle; and if there's no "c" then it was just <br /> vacant. <br /> Niu Camp, can you tell us about that one? This is 9A. <br /> KUBOTA: Yes. Niu Camp, Exhibit 9A is, as you're coming out of the third <br /> gulch, heading out from Hilo, there's a turnoff to Ookala. Right at the turnoff, there's a <br /> gymnasium that you can see on the photo there, and there's a bus stop. Niu Camp is <br /> right makai of that. <br /> HIATT: Okay. Two vacant lots at the top and one commercial garage at the <br /> <br /> bottom'? <br /> 12 <br /> <br />