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GOLDSTEIN: Not. KAWAHA: It's not in the existing Charter. And the Board has been, they didn't come up with their rules of procedures. So I just think it, what's said about Board of Appeals-. And Planning Commission, Planning Commission is a, on the Planning Commission there is a provision that the Commission shall establish its rules of procedure. And so this is just consistent -. MCINTOSH: Okay. KAWAHA: And then letter (W, we're replacing the first portion with "The board shall conduct hearings in accordance with the State Administrative Procedures Act." Under letter W, we're deleting the portion ", although such background or expertise is not a prerequisite for membership." MCINTOSH: Why? KAWAHA: Planning, Planning Director? GIANNINI: For clarification purposes, could someone read the entirety of paragraph (a) in Section 4, the change in 5-6.3, so that it will be on the record as exactly what paragraph, how exactly paragraph W should read. KAWAHA: Okay. So under Section 5-6.3, Board of Appeals, letter (aL it should read "The board shall hear and determine appeals from final decisions of the planning director and planning commission as provided by law and the chief engineer relating to approval or enforcement procedures under ordinances and laws within their respective Jurisdiction " GOLDSTEIN: Then with respect to your question, Commissioner McIntosh, it's just that the wording as it is, "Whenever possible, persons with a background or expertise in broad areas of planning and construction shall be given preference" for the "for appointment to the board," I think that's enough to say that, you know, it's only a preference, but not necessarily a mandate. MCINTOSH: The language must be there for a reason. I'm just wondering if the reason it was added was because someone was challenged at some point because -. GIFFIN: They didn't have it. MCINTOSH: They didn't have that background. GOLDSTEIN: Pardon me? -3-