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on changing the rules... how... what is your feelings in regards to <br />that ... do we need to do ... would you like us to continue to discuss <br />this or is this our current plan which is basically to put it on the <br />agenda when we discuss rule change the next time and see how we <br />can be more transparent and how we can increase communication <br />between the petitioner and us in case because you know this is the <br />Board of Ethics issue ... if you're satisfied with what has transpired <br />this morning. <br />Mr. Tucker: As far as discovery goes ... I think we've given it a rather through <br />airing ... and from my point of view I can reserve the right to file a <br />complaint... <br />Mr. Goodenow: Absolutely. <br />Mr. Tucker: Pending the results... <br />Mr. Goodenow: Thank you. <br />Mr. Tucker: As they proceed ... I'm not in a hurry ... you know I know things <br />take time ... but the end result be of clear interest to me ... as far as <br />the subject of cross-examination... it's so absolutely clear in the <br />code to cross-examination is allowed unless somebody has some <br />thought to put against it ... I can't come up with an explanation as <br />why I was denied cross-examination. <br />Mr. Goodenow: It wasn't a formal hearing ... but I know that seems legalistic and <br />you wouldn't know that and we hear you on that and I think it <br />really needs to be clear to everyone what and maybe we should <br />look at the whole hearing process... streamline it and do <br />something... so but that's a lot of work... <br />Mr. Tucker: I'm still in the dark ... I consider this an informal hearing... <br />Mr. Goodenow: It's not even that. <br />Ms. Kahakalau: No this is just a discussion... <br />Mr. Goodenow: Discussion. <br />Ms. Kahakalau: So that's the hard part for us sir ... we are bound you know by this <br />code and sometimes restricted by this code and confined by this <br />code that was created you know a long time ago but for us <br />specifically and that's why I asked right at the very beginning of <br />this meeting for our counsel to define this word discussion you <br />21 <br />