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CARR SMITH: I don't under- how, why is it not possible to walk from your apartment up to the <br /> commercial? Maybe there's easements or whatever. Why is that not possible? Or what makes you <br /> think that people will get in a car as opposed to walking? They'll even walk down to Kuakini and <br /> walk into the village. <br /> KAY: If, if we are looking at kind of what's being proposed, that's, that's kind of the way that they <br /> would do, and it's more consistent with kind of suburban separate development, auto-oriented <br /> development, versus a mixed-use, walkable, commercial and residences mixed in the same place that <br /> the CDP is looking for and what the CDP asks for, since the CDP provides a process and the <br /> framework for doing that through the Project District. I, you know, I don't know if people will get <br /> out, you know, and walk up to the commercial or walk down. I'm certain that some would, but <br /> most, at least as what's being represented in the site plan, would almost require that. <br /> CARR SMITH: Okay. All right, let's move over to Noriko's <br /> VAN PERNIS: Can I <br /> CARR SMITH: Go ahead, Mark. <br /> VAN PERNIS: Can I be hard? Am I, can you hear me out? <br /> CARR SMITH: Yes. <br /> VAN PERNIS: First of all, I want to point out to Mike and to Ms. Smith that they have a false <br /> assumption that there is affordable housing going to be built. They, my understanding is that they <br /> are asking that the affordable housing not be built,that there not be affordable housing. <br /> Secondly, I would point out that the CDP has the power of law; it has to be complied with. Supreme <br /> Court has decided and states very broadly. <br /> And, thirdly, I wish to point out that I've thoroughly studied this project and spoken with some of <br /> the people who have filed their statements, and I wish to point out that there is a major, major <br /> infrastructure problem that this project creates. So it got all the design—and I'm not suggesting that <br /> it be returned to Ag, I think that it should have appropriate zoning but that you folks are not yet <br /> considering what I believe Mr. Fuke will admit is a major, major infrastructure problem that the <br /> applicants are going to cause and not address. <br /> By the way, the other Commissioner here wants to talk. <br /> CARR SMITH: Yes, go ahead, Faye. <br /> YATES: Yay, finally. <br /> CARR SMITH: Yes, sorry <br /> YATES: That's okay <br /> 19 <br /> EXHIBIT D <br />