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we basically represent user-groups on that council. However, we’re strictly <br />advisory – similar to your council and a lot of items people come with a mindset <br />that if they ask for access it will be granted. But a lot of times it’s multiple type <br />access… <br /> <br />NP: A long journey… <br /> <br />TN: Right. So before people come and ask for access a lot of times it’s beneficial if <br />people do their homework – they have to basically find an old government road <br />and see if that road or trail access falls within the realm of the program and then <br />see whether or not the access has been fenced off or occupied by somebody <br />else. So lot of times KSB, for example, has a lot of land that used to be – how <br />would you say - an easement would go through that land – since then they’ve <br />fenced off those locations because… <br /> <br />NP: Isn’t there some sort of protection for the public where if an axis is being used <br />casually, informally, or whatever for so long historically, isn’t there some sort of <br />protection that it would be preserved> <br /> <br />TN: Not necessarily because, again, we go back to the legal challenges that we’re <br />often faced with and even for me - when I want to access a certain area - one of <br />the prudent things is that it’s a recognized access – so has the program – for <br />example, DLNR, or whatever venue you’re going there for hunting or fishing – is <br />that a true, recognized public access? <br /> <br />NP: Yeah, but I thought that, well, maybe it only goes for 4-wheel vehicles - if an <br />access has been used by 4-wheeled vehicles for 100 years or something like <br />that – it has to remain a public access… It’s an act from the 1800s or <br />something? <br /> <br />TN: The 1892 – the Queen’s Act – The Highway Act of 1892 – that’s something that <br />Na Ala Hele also… <br /> <br />NP: But that doesn’t go for trails - that only goes for 4-wheel vehicles? <br /> <br />TN: No, that goes also for trails, but, again, it’s up to the program manager often <br />times as well as the program itself to determine whether or not that trail is <br />actually where it was originally earmarked to be. <br /> <br />NP: Yeah, for example, like Old Government Road down along the ocean from HPP <br />to Shipman Hilo – that was horse and buggy but, yet, they still bouldered it off. <br /> <br />TN: I’m not sure exactly where you’re talking about… <br /> <br />NP: Old Government – it’s a Na Ala Hele Trail – it goes to Shipman Beach – Keaau <br />Beach… <br />4 <br /> <br /> <br />