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have that issue resolved. So I don’t know if that applies to government land or <br />not but that’s with private lands. <br /> <br />NP: Yeah, thank you. Right. I know that there has been complaints about the Narnia <br />Falls access getting shut down by the DLNR and people are really upset about <br />that. The public’s used it to go to Narnia Falls and then hunters – that’s also a <br />hunting access – it’s been barred off recently and the explanation for that is that it <br />was never a legal access and in fact it’s state land that’s leased land and so <br />that’s it, um, we cannot go there any longer even though people have been using <br />that and going there forever. My question is, maybe, um, Terrence, you might <br />know something of this. So if there’s state land and the state land is leased – isn’t <br />there any kind of protection for public access in state land that’s been leased that <br />should be established or could have been established? <br /> <br />TN: Then it goes back to the program manager and the DLNR. So even though <br />access has been granted before - often times I found they can just take it away <br />and somebody possibly complained about it – but in the past I worked with one of <br />the foresters for the program to secure agreement for Ainapo Trail, which <br />currently runs through a leased area, and negotiations were made and access <br />was granted by a combination… <br /> <br />NP: So it does happen… <br /> <br />TN: For Ainapo Trail. So that goes up to the slopes of Mauna Loa through the ranch. <br /> <br />NP: Were there a group of people that perpetuated that or insisted on it or… <br /> <br />TN: I believe a lot of the hunters… <br /> <br />NP: Pushed for that? <br /> <br />TN: ….made comments to… <br /> <br />NP: So possibly, if a group of people got together and pressed that maybe – even <br />after the fact… <br /> <br />TN: Well, it’s always beneficial to hear from the public… <br /> <br />NP: If they got organized and said, look, we want public access and this is state land <br />– arrange for state land access, lease land – so there’s hope. And, of course, I <br />was hoping fishermen would be here – the fishing access issues have been <br />really a thing, um, but unfortunately they didn’t show up tonight. Coastal access, <br />also, is an issue, but… <br /> <br />TN: Yeah, so, \[unclear\] at Council meetings there’s always a portion for public <br />testimony as you have testified in the past and their testimony as well as Steve <br />6 <br /> <br /> <br />