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Merit Appeals Board <br />December 16, 2020 <br />APPELLANT SHOOK: As stated previously, her comments are hers and hers alone. If that's <br />how she feels then that's how she feels on me. <br />MR. MUKAL And you would agree that being mature is important in being a police officer <br />recruit for the Hawaii County Police Department? <br />APPELLANT SHOOK: Yes, sir. <br />MR. MUKAL Okay. Now, November 10 of this year, are you aware that your father called <br />Sergeant Jason Grouns? <br />APPELLANT SHOOK: Of this year, yes, sir. <br />MR. MUKAL Yeah. And then, your father said—asked Sergeant Grouns how someone like <br />you would not be selected because you're from Waianae where it's a, quote, and I apologize, "A <br />war torn area and that the Big Island is"again, I apologize—"fucking child's play compared to <br />there." Did your father tell Jason Grouns that? Do you know about that? <br />APPELLANT SHOOK: Those comments, I did not hear during the conversation. <br />REP. SHOOK: I'd like to object at this point. Hearsay and the employment by the other side <br />and whatnot, if they have a recording of some kind, I'm going to point out throughout this thing <br />that Sergeant Grouns has a habit of misleading things. So, hearsay at this point. <br />MR. MUKAL I object to that characterization. This is cross-examination and I'm asking <br />whether he's aware of this conversation with Representative Shook. <br />CHR. NAMAHOE: I don't have any evidence of that in front of me. <br />MR. MUKAI: Okay. <br />CHR. NAMAHOE: I'd like us to move on with the questioning. <br />MR. MUKAI: Okay. Mr. Shook, I have nothing further. <br />APPELLANT SHOOK: Was that for Appellant Shook or was that for dad Shook? Remember <br />this is <br />MR. MUKAL Appellant Shook. <br />APPELLANT SHOOK: Okay. Thank you. <br />CHR. NAMAHOE: Do you have any cross that you would like to do? Re-examination. <br />Page 22 <br />