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or, PTA is not considered critical habitat – is there any chance we could get cattle back in <br />there to help keep the load down? <br /> <br />TR: The short answer to that one is yes and that’s what we’re working on. Again, you know, <br />to the point – we were able to focus fighting mauka and take care of the mamane forest <br />because people didn’t have to focus makai and protect Waikoloa Village and in part it’s <br />because we had cattle grazing down there and so we mitigated the fire load – the <br />problem for Waikii Ranch and then also Waikoloa is that there’s a huge fire load in what <br />they call the Keamuku Section of PTA. And there’s ongoing conversations even prior to <br />the fire to get cattle back in there – it’s at, actually, a very high level of conversation <br />right now to try and nudge this forward to get that grazing agreement \[technical <br />difficulty\] … <br /> <br />AA: Hang on Mr. Richards – we’re getting technical difficulties… Hand on, try again… <br /> <br />TR: Do I need to go back and say that again? <br /> <br />AA: Yeah, please… <br /> <br />TR: OK, so, what I said was, yes there’s high level conversation right now working on getting <br />lands of Keamuku grazed by Parker Ranch. Right now as an emergency because it’s – we <br />don’t have feed right now. We lost 47,000 acres but also long term for fire mitigation <br />going forward. So, yes, working very diligently on that one. Any other questions? <br /> <br />SM: Stanley from District 1. This is for Kanalu. Kanalu, every time the subject be brought <br />about putting back the animals there we come down to the point where oh, we cannot <br />do anything because the federal government, the federal mandate. What can the state <br />do to go back to release this mandate – to get it so that we can put animals back there, I <br />mean, you guys get from all these years the amount of – the data that shows that the <br />palila never come back and the mamane is there and so you guys have now arrows in <br />your quiver now to go back to this federal government and try convincing them to put <br />back the animals on Mauna Kea. <br /> <br />KS: Any reversal of the federal mandates or any attempt to do so – would have to come <br />from our Attorney General. That’s not a conversation I’ve had with them. I do <br />remember Hans saying that he brought it up one time with one of the assistant AGs and <br />they kind of laughed at him. I’m willing to go and try and ask if that’s possible – probably <br />the best I can do for now. So I can go walk story with our admin and our assistant AG <br />and just find out if that’s even something that they would consider and what <br />information they would need to try, but it would have to come from our attorney <br />general. One thing I didn’t mention that I forgot about – so we actually do – we did work <br />out a – what is that – a temporary permit that allows Parker to graze – there’s about <br />300 acres at the bottom of the \[unclear\] mitigation area between that cross fence that <br />goes down to the Old Saddle Road – so Parker Ranch did get some cattle in there and so <br />13 <br /> <br /> <br />