2022-05-05 Windward Exh C (Item 3 County Council Initiated PL-CCI-2022-001)

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again, we are in the sausage making process so I'm absolutely willing to take whatever the Commission's recommendation is on something like that. LIN: Thank you, Miss Kimball because what it relates to is that you have these stalls are now on private property. If these properties are close to the public at certain hours. What's availability for other people who are hey I'm traveling across Saddle Road right now, and I have 25% left in my battery, where do I go to charge. KIMBALL: Right and so that's actually speaks to one of the comments made by the Director about the whole network issue. While we recognize that there are parts of the island that are network deserts at this point in time. The reason that it's important that these charges be networked is for the exact reason that you mentioned. If somebody's coming across Saddle, they need to know if a charging location is available. That would be something that they could use one of the apps to identify. That provision that we put in not require gates to be open, so that people could use chargers. If facilities that are normally gated during non-business hours was really just in respect to their potential security concerns of leaving a parking lot open to make charging available when there's nobody there to protect this site. So, I think that addressing a couple of issues there about that amendment, about not having to keep the thing open, but also that network components. So, that people will be able to check and make sure that there are chargers available before they make their trip. Noel I see you maybe want to chime in on this too. MORIN: Well, the previous comment or previous question regarding charging rates. There's actually precedent. We have all of the DC fast chargers there is a fee for use, so there is information there that we can garner and leverage. They're fifty-one (51) cents to sixty-one (61) cents per kilowatt hour and then the same thing goes for Level 2's. It's rare these days to see a free charger and well Home Depot used to be free. Well, it was free until their system broke down and all what we're seeing is that these charging stations that are being replaced are being replaced with network systems and they're also going to be required a fee for use. So, there is precedent, meaning, we can take a look at what's happening right now in the marketplace and base it off of that. But I think Heather as you described if we leave it to the market the rates will govern themselves. If someone's charging too much their charging station will not be used. Anyway,just wanted to comment on that that we have precedent. LIN: Chair, I have one last question and it comes down to the cost per kilowatt hour. So, maybe it's two parts. One is Noel, you mentioned that the fee is like 51 cents, or something to a kilowatt hour. I pay residentially forty-seven (47) or forty-six (46), forty-two (42) something like that in the 40's person per kilowatt hour. How much does it increase your electric bill by charging it as a 120 volt versus a 220 or having it charged at a DC charger— MORIN: Sorry. LIN: -: So, because the other part is that what is Hawaiian Electric doing to subsidize the costs of electric vehicles. If they're still using fossil fuels to generate electricity and they're passing on that costs to those charging stations for electric vehicles that kind of contradicts itself. 17 EXHIBIT C