2022-05-05 Windward Exh C (Item 3 County Council Initiated PL-CCI-2022-001)

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MORIN: Yeah, well so, the grid is being decarbonized. So, if we're buying electricity through and we don't have solar on the roof we're just getting off the grid directly or we are using the DC fast chargers that they have. It's clearly there's still some fossil fuel input into that system but we're seeing it change over time. We're decarbonizing as we go and that's one of the beauties of the electric car is that it gets cleaner as time passes. But to answer your question about cost. Even with the 51-61 cents per kilowatt hour for the DC fast charger which is costly. It's costly or more costly than doing it at home. You pay for the convenience and there's a lot of costs associated with a DC fast charger, which I believe is part of the fee. But I've done some calculations and even at that rate let's say 50 cents a kilowatt hour. That's comparable to gas and I think what's important is that it's a situation where there is a financial benefit for going electric that doing so would allow you to get more for your transportation dollars and we're seeing that. Even with that rate of 50-60 cents a kilowatt hour the cars are just more efficient and it kind of trails with gas. Electricity will eventually go up, but gas would also be up there, and based on the comparisons I've done they are at par. When you do it at home it's even better. If you have solar on the roof it's even better. So, there's clearly some education that we need to also do as we move forward with this, but to your point the 61 cents seems a lot but if you compare it to what it would cost to fuel your gas car it's very much on par. Comparing to similar size cars I don't know Tesla Model S with the model or a BMW 5 Series, for example, you take a look at that, and you'll see that's very similar price wise. KIMBALL: So just to give you some context Dennis, I have an electric vehicle myself a Chevy Bolt and I go charge it at Walmart from time to time, and the first 2 hours are free, and then it takes me about 3 more hours to get full charge. So yes, 5 hours and they charge $2.00 an hour. It cost me about 6 bucks to get fully charged, which gives me about 300 miles. The other point I wanted to make about what HECO is doing as Noel mentioned for commercial businesses, they are offering reduced electrical rates for EV charging. So, they are part of the solution here and trying to incentivize the adoption of EV installations in commercial spaces. LIN: Thank you that's it for me Chair, thank you. AU: Thank you, Commissioner Lin for your questions. I guess, can we take it over to Commissioner Galimba. Do you have questions? GALIMBA: Sorry, I didn't raise my hand, and I think the other Commissioners have more pressing questions and if I have a question, I'll raise my hand after them. AU: Okay, thank you, since you're the vice Chair, I want to give you a chance first but go ahead, Commissioner Daniele. DANIELE: Yeah, actually I got some questions and comments. I think this is great. I guess one question is really going to look at what's the lifespan of the equipment that you're going to be putting in? I'm personally off grid completely and run my whole life on solar. Invested quite a bit of money up front, but I know this equipment that I purchased I might have for twenty (20)to 18 EXHIBIT C