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VITOUSEK:And the areas still are characterized by keawe, and banyan, and <br />haole koa, and other types of -? <br />KANAHELE:They still live there, yes. <br />VITOUSEK:Yeah. And they still are having adverse impact, I assume, on the <br />cultural sites themselves, is that correct? <br />KANAHELE:Everything that grows there whether itÓd be mauka or makai and, <br />will always have an adverse effect on the land, whether itÓd be the buildings or the <br />foreign trees, adverse. <br />VITOUSEK:Now, when you bring your students to this land, how do you get <br />access -? You know, what do you do, I mean, just when you come <br />what do you do when you get there? <br />KANAHELE:Well, we, for the makai area, we go around towards the lualoa <br />Bay area and walk on the coastline, and then we go in. And for the mauka area, we go <br />straight in from the, where the cars park across the road from the surfing spot. <br />VITOUSEK:Okay. So, if youÓre going into the makai portion, you walk along <br />the coastline of Hlualoa Bay -? <br />KANAHELE:Yeah. <br />VITOUSEK:Essentially makai of those four homes that are there, m <br />KANAHELE:Just north and makai, yeah. <br />VITOUSEK:North, yeah. Okay. And then if youÓre going in the ma <br />of the property, you would park in that wide area in the road where the surfers park, <br />which is also just north of the Casa del Sol, that big house? Is that right? ThereÓs a big <br />private home there thatÓs like a Mediterranean kind of looking house -? <br />KANAHELE:Yeah. <br />VITOUSEK:Do you remember that? And so you park just north of th <br />then walk in -? <br />KANAHELE:North of that, yes. <br />VITOUSEK:Okay. And by using those means are you able to get access into <br />the two sites or your group is able to get there? <br />KANAHELEWell, we go in there from the north to the Keakealani area because <br />I want them to see the north wall and -. <br />20 <br /> <br />