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GIFFIN:Here, I can give it to you. I have it marked, IÓm sorry, but -. He speaks on <br />page 4 of the guardianship of a trust company in Hilo of children, minor wards. And then <br />from there he says that the trust company forced the sale, and Mr. Roy, correct me if IÓm <br />wrong, of these lots for their support. And I wondered if your research coincided. <br />YUEN:The only information that I can relate is that the, the Blasman property, on <br />the earliest tax maps which are, roughly 1936, I believe the owner is shown as Frank <br />Silva. <br />GIFFIN:Okay, the man that weÓve Î <br />YUEN:I canÓt remember who the owner of the, at that point in the tax maps, who <br />the owner of the larger portion of 7-2-2:8 is shown as, so I canÓt help you with that, in the <br />Keakealaniwahine parcel itself. As far as, you know, your earlier comment, sensitivity to <br />historic, Hawaiian historical sites, in particular has changed and increased over time, I <br />think thatÓs a fair statement. <br />So youÓll see things that happened in the past that people would, would hate to see <br />happen today. WeÓre really fortunate that this Keakealaniwahine property is still <br />relatively intact, because it could easily, it was in private ownership from the Mahele, up <br />until 1988, and easily could have been bulldozed out, sold. Somebody made a decision to <br />not do that. And IÓm very happy that that happened. Whether th <br />understanding and sensitivity to the importance of the site, or just because it never <br />surfaced as a developed, as a piece of property that someone wanted to develop, I donÓt <br />know. Certainly by the 1980Ós, anyone who owned the property would have been aware <br />that the archaeology would, would be a major issue or constraint if they had come <br />forward with a development plan or development proposal for the property. However, <br />the legal protection really does not exist for property that just happens to be in an <br />agricultural zone. Many sites have been bulldozed, or chain-dragged, or otherwise <br />destroyed without any kind of land use permits. So thatÓs, thatÓs one of the things that <br />weÓre very fortunate in, in this particular, in the property thatÓs now owned by the State. <br />GIFFIN:So then the prior application for our subject property, at that time in the <br />1930Ós was there any sensitivity towards cultural, Hawaiian cultural sites and all of this <br />that you just spoke of? Because I wondered if in the application there was any statement <br />of a landscaping plan; and if so Î <br />YUEN:In 1980, you said 1930Ós. <br />GIFFIN:IÓm sorry, 1980, yes. Was there? <br />YUEN:I donÓt think so. And, as far as, there certainly was testimony and concern <br />about the effect of development on this site on, I think the testimony at the time was more <br />in terms of Keolonhihi, because that was, Keolonhihi was very much in the forefront at <br />that point with Friends of Kamoa Point. But there was, there were, there were letters of <br />concern about this site. It was clear from the archaeological report that was done at, even <br />6 <br /> <br />