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GRAHAM:Maybe I could ask this toJeff as much, in our Background Report,
<br />where on page 3 it has floral, fauna, archaeological resources, it says that DLNR State
<br />Historic Preservation issued a no-effect letter believing there are no historic properties
<br />present because of intense cultivation. I know thisletter we got here today indicates that
<br />theres a good chance of archaeological significance on this parcel. So we dont have a
<br />copy of the State Historic PreservationDivision no-effect letter, and Im wondering if
<br />you have any further information or if the Applicant has any further information -.
<br />MCKINNEY:I have a copy of that letter; and, also, I just received this letter from
<br />Mr. Silva a little while ago, maybe 30 minutes ago. But as I read it and in our discussions
<br />with Mr. Cross, the area in question is not our property, its near our property. And Mr.
<br />Cross had expressed a concern that maybe a septic system might get a leak in there. You
<br />know, we certainly, and we wrote him a letter back saying that we would do everything
<br />we can to, you know, make sure that doesnt happen. And, frankly, if its a concern, we
<br />are,Idhappytomovethefacilityawayfromthat,theactualbuilding.ButIdohavea
<br />copy of the -.
<br />GRAHAM:Do you know if the State Historic Preservation people actually
<br />came and dida site visit, or theyre just doing this from paperwork or something?
<br />MCKINNEY:Not to my knowledge, no; and we dont even know where that site
<br />is. Yeah, as I said, I think its off our property; and last we heard its been dumped,
<br />covered up with sticks and trash, and -.
<br />GRAHAM:Thank you.
<br />GALDONES:CommissionerMcCall?
<br />MCCALL:Well, I guess, my question, I think we probably, looks like were
<br />going to have some testimony about this anyway. But my understanding on this property,
<br />the lower portion of it, it was sugar cane land. The upper portion of it is big old
<br />eucalyptus trees. It hasnt, as far as I know it has never been cleared. Most probably Im
<br />assuming thats old kuleana, a kuleana parcel. I would think that at the very least we
<br />need to get an archaeologist out there to look at it before we approve anything because
<br />theres -. You know, I dont know if theres rock walls, probably gravesites, probably,
<br />you know, a number of other things. And I would also, I would like to make sure that the
<br />Waiubata Cave is protected. I think its, this is a very important resource that needs to be
<br />protected; and, to tell the truth, I dont particularly want to see a building this big, you
<br />know, 50 feet. Ive been to Waiubata Cave half a dozen years ago. I know its real close
<br />to this property. I mean, if its 50 feet from it, Im not sure I really want troubled kids
<br />roaming around there. The general idea on petroglyphs and, I mean, we have our resident
<br />expert here, but the idea is to keep this as low key as possible to protect them.
<br />MCKINNEY:Well, I mean, absolutely; and, first of all, well never have kids
<br />roaming around. You know, we are, its very organized and structured. But, absolutely.
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