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Um, Hamakua – you know the hawksbill turtle is critically endangered and they born primarily in, in Punaluu and the Volcano side. And you know, most of the – and some on Maui – but most, just about all the juveniles - rock of Hamakua but they feed on the surface \[unclear\] sponge – these \[unclear\] – so what you think is the mud doing to the darn sponge, you know, sponges the same thing like don’t smoke because it’s \[unclear\] – same thing sponges – they filter – \[unclear\] happen to the lungs – but these are things they don’t see, yeah, oh, I love the turtles. Oh, I love turtles – \[unclear\] the mud slide Hamakua – so what the point is you gotta make that connection – this way got mauka and the land practices, again, I not picking any County guys – they take great efforts in getting permits – oh, yeah \[unclear\] show you what I do when I go do \[unclear\] when it’s all pau, guess what – did they ever come back? Nobody comes back. In my neighborhood I had this 9-million dollar homes that’s gonna be a sod farm, an ag farm – that’s what they do they have TV shows there. So, where’s the policing? Fishermen here you are. You sucking in wind again. They blame you. Overfishing – you guys \[unclear\], you know, not truth. It’s subsistence \[unclear\] remember that. We eat that stuff. I was told, you mean you guys eat that stuff? Of course we do. But, again, don’t lose it - decide to be yourself – at’s islanders – next slide – again, you gotta respect those practitioners that practice mauka/makai – I need your guidance – this is the message that we gotta send out. OK. Native forest… \[Unclear\] natural stream flow, now. OK. The people that like hydroelectric plan go say, oh, I’ll put a dam on. Oh, we go let your water go – what’s the minimum flow? That’s not the point – the point is whenever you get those peak flow it’s a signal, you know, it’s like, oh, we got winds come \[unclear\] – this is the time I’m gonna move, yeah? I worked on a profession as for the state – we worked on lobster migration in the Caribbean. With the first big winter storm comes down into the mainland – it hits south Florida – that’s when the lobsters – boom – they migrate. It’s a trigger. Most days it’s from the mountain – when natural – the \[unclear\] peaks – but the hinana knows, oh yeah, I’m going home now – I can smell home. And they go home – so you need that natural peaks and flow of the streams. And, you know how I feel - it goes ummm. Two days later – is those things, you know – eh, that’ the \[unclear – mamarahoshi?\] it’s just, yeah. Um, you gotta focus on nursery habitat – at’s – you know nursery habitat is the ugliest, ugliest place. You think about it – you go look Waiakea Pond it’s ugly, rubbishy, junk stuff. But you think about what grows over there – we’ve got a lot of California grass – it’s not doing anybody any good – the native had reeds before – and what it does it produces more oxygen in \[unclear\] so those are positive things. So why don’t you guys come down – got water birds – \[unclear\] like water birds? \[Unclear\] water birds – this is great. Why can’t fishermen partner with them say, hey, let me help you with \[unclear\]. Yeah? So, this is where I’m hoping – when users like you can help them think – we can partner with them, you know what I mean – we don’t go shoot water birds – \[unclear\] water birds – right? But the fact that that’s how they villainize you – those environmental people, oh, you guys are bad – you guys will take it. You’re not. So, my point here is to sermonize to you – is to say – let’s just turn our head mauka, yeah, and let’s see what’s \[unclear\] and you guys can fish boat or whatever. You see the estuary. Think of it as just as like a - the heart, yeah? This is the heart that drives the system, yeah, and, why County code has this office called Office of Sustainability, Climate, Equity and Resilience. I felt, personally, is this - the fact they organized this – if you read this code – it’s like it’s reaching out to the state sides for the habitat – maybe this is the bridge that we can make a new end users – unpractical – you don’t just there and think about lovely things and you just, you know, users you know what goes on so this is where I think you can be part of helping like you said young \[unclear\] I would be help you with some of your concerns – I’m willing to help you – so that’s the part that’s lacking, eh, \[unclear\]. And why I say that because I been on another side of the fence before. I’m a – what you call those people that… 24