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?: Environmentalist? RN: No, no. Nah. Ho. Yes and no. I could understand that too. Because that’s where you live, right, that’s where you live. But when I came back to Hawaii you had to outside type came in and it said environmentalists. No? That’s when there was a hippie person. Who do I chose, who’s my uncle? Them or that? Is that thing from my - it’s the community or is it uncle that I grew up with? And this is a dilemma. But, again, I’m so glad you can speak up and speak so, ah, civilly, you know, and be part of that solution. And let’s not lose this Island that they get with. And, um, so I took the County action committee, you know, they said, Bob, don’t talk out of state – just make sure it’s a \[unclear\] thing – when I saw Chapter 37 and \[unclear\] says, darn, this is the way we get bridge back there, OK? You don’t, you’re not going hunt, you’re also fish – \[unclear\] do that too. So that’s part of the process – how can we \[unclear\], so, yeah, you guys have game management \[unclear\]. Game management \[unclear\] hunt. We go shoot sheep \[unclear\] nothing like that. But we said no – but now I think you tell me there’s a lot of fishermen here too, so, you know, please invite me again – I love to listen to your stuff and ideas and how I can \[unclear\] I’m advisory so you gotta \[unclear\] yeah, I \[unclear\] advisor. So I think being in council that’s part of the situation. You get the mayor’s office here too – we’re good to go. OK? Next slide - OK – anyway thank you for your time, ah, for bearing with my sermon, um, but I thought this was the solution where we can raise that \[unclear\]. You know, we all going get make before we get that done but at the same time at least we can leave behind our thinking – your thinking, yeah, cause don’t be demonized – \[unclear\] – but that’s what strategies they do, yeah, with this whatevers, so… Anyway, thank you so much and thank you, Bob, for inviting me. RD: Oh, thanks for coming. RN: And, ah, I’ll take questions or whatever - so I’d like to come again – or invite me or you invite me to your meetings and I like listen but you guys in the mountain know when you go hunt – you know the things going on. You know, there’s this lady who \[unclear\] that Hawaiians say poetic sayings \[unclear\] poetic sayings, you know, over 30% poetic sayings are about fish and herbs. Oh. \[Unclear\]. I’m going snooze about oopu when I was on Kauai. Kauai literally lives - harvesting of oopu is Kauai. You know when – remember days in Kona – the Kona keikis used to have different summer because they picked coffee a way with difference. For a while in Kauai – when theres the oopu and the hinana comes home – no more school. The hoohana goes - go like the hinana and they go like the oopu too – that comes down from mountain and they used to dry ‘em on the clothesline. And they used to eat the nakea - the big ones – so I went to Kauai after the Hurricane Iniki, oh, I learned so much from the West Kauai people and what they used to do. You know they malama the valley. What happens if you over fish your oopu – do you go the next day? Make shame, – we don’t. It shows how terrible we are in caring for the land. OK. That’s good. So – I came back I says, OK, how come there’s no oopu fish here, how come when the oopu run there’s nobody cut out of school and go catch oopu? Cause no more that kind oopu here. The island is different – we’re five million years apart – so if you look over here – Hamakua is all cliffs, yeah? One species of gobi - the red tail gobi’s the one can climb. You go to Kauai – no more waterfall like that so babies – no need to climb – they on they come in – but the species is different because the habitat is different. Kauai has a big makea – big ones, you know, they run – they come running down with the first rain comes down – like the birds migrating – the makea comes down if you go fish – you go to Hanalei bridge after the first big storm, all the guys on the river catching makea – this big – the oopu – no more over here. At best – Malua maybe, yeah, 25