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because they cannot climb as good at the red tailed one. Doing my work I see, eh, how come no
<br />more oopu here – so I looked down say, eh, get one big pond over there by the ocean – I going
<br />check ‘em – I going down. \[Unclear\] would come up but had all the oopu there because
<br />\[unclear\]. Yeah? So, the fact that they stopped overfishing is just that – I heard a guy from
<br />Molokai told me, fish is the byproduct of a healthy habitat. He said, keep that in mind – be really
<br />nice that we can fish that again so, again, thank you, so I’ll shut up.
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<br />LT: Thank you, uncle, you know, ah, I really liked the part where in the beginning you said, you
<br />know, thank you to the Hawaiians, cause, um, being Hawaiian, I know that I have privilege,
<br />access and all this ikea to get the fish and hunting zones and so I take my love Hawaiian friends
<br />into DHHL to hunt. I take them into my fishing spots and down in Keaukaha my family we own,
<br />well, we don’t own – we have the lease on one of the biggest parcels of ocean front property –
<br />which is the old zoo – if you know the old zoo?
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<br />RN: Yeah, \[unclear\], yeah?
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<br />LT: Um-hum. So my family has the old zoo and a part of my understanding of community is opening
<br />up our aina for the community to get the ai – get their fish, get their food and so what I try and
<br />do whenever I see DLNR or any game management people out there I come and you guys have
<br />no jurisdiction over this parcel because my family is the caretakers of this ahupuaa so if you find
<br />anybody – Hawaiian or not – fishing in this section – you leave them alone, um, but it’s been
<br />hard for me to do stuff like that because of population of fish went down over the last 20 years,
<br />real hard, yeah, in Keaukaha? Um, and the nenue like you mentioned in the beginning was one
<br />of the main fish what – right there in Puhi Bay – remember? They used to grow right by the
<br />road. And, like you said, we don’t count the fish - every day I’ll pass and I’ll see ‘em jumping –
<br />4:00 am – I’ve seen ‘em right there and once I no see ‘em I know my counts already, yeah, so,
<br />that’s kind of like the \[unclear\] kupuna \[noise obstruction\] as, ah, you know, the fish population
<br />in Keaukaha has devastated and I always get into battles with Jay Hara and Tokunaga because
<br />they sell all the fishing supply – I understand – I need some help down here cause everyone who
<br />buys your equipment fish in our area, um, and so looking at your presentation of the migration
<br />of fish gives me hope, you know, maybe the fish can migrate from Bay Front Hilo one over back
<br />into Keaukaha cause we no more that kind fish anymore, yeah.
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<br />SW: Dr. Nishimoto – can you move over here so we can have you here on the camera again.
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<br />RN: OK. Um, here’s one suggestion. These are inevitable – think about that \[unclear\] say that so –
<br />you know when Hawaiians built Hawaiian fishponds – they built in areas that usually the
<br />\[unclear\]. They realized that \[unclear\] setting but also, is also an estuary. Can the community
<br />refurbish Hawaiian fishponds – that’s part of giving back – 90% \[unclear\] is a law, yeah, old
<br />Hawaiian fishpond style? You go the seaside they get the hole with the makaha yet – the
<br />makaha is with it – so what happens is the uma uma comes in the baby, yeah, the hina, no
<br />babies come in. Na pua. Then they grow up, right?
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<br />LT: Um-hum.
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<br />RN: When the winter storm come up you no can find the \[unclear\] when the waves come – salt
<br />water come out – the saltwater waves – big mullet smell the salt – then they come to the
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