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we have similar goals, we can't seem to sit down and talk stories across the table. I'm a
<br /> conservationist, before conservationist was a big thing. I was a Boy Scout, one of the first
<br /> things they teach you in Boy Scout is only take what you need. You don't over fish, you
<br /> don't over hunt, you don't. You know. But to get the conservationist like the Sierra Club
<br /> to even acknowledge the fact that maybe the sheep and goats are not the problem, as
<br /> Bob says, when you have the male, female ratio of birds that can not naturally sustain
<br /> itself, why are you protecting this whole area and it's not doing the job. I don't know, I
<br /> sat on the board for many, for number of years, I just, life is too short.
<br /> LT: Thank you...yeah it is
<br /> TWC: I thank you for your time in the commission as well, It is unfortunately we are still talking
<br /> about the same problems, but I believe in time does tell yeah,what we are...and to answer
<br /> your question also, the Sierra Club is back in the GMAC now, just for your information,
<br /> they also showed up for us in the county council meeting the General Plan. He also did
<br /> mention in the minutes as well, he is in support of GMAC and believes the sheep is not
<br /> the problem. And the whole Sierra Club, mission all for actual management plan involving
<br /> GMAC to be part of that plan. Is it going to be a process? Yeah, now, I'm only 38 years
<br /> old. I've been going to meetings with my dad, growing up, I'm basically following his
<br /> footsteps, because I believe in my lifetime, I can try and change. Mauna Kea is a big thing
<br /> to me,that's where I grew up on it. I started shooting archery, I was hunting with archery,
<br /> before I shot one gun. I'm doing that with my kids today. To see...to see it slowly heading
<br /> in a direction, from what, I've been ...I only been here next month, makes my one year
<br /> next month, and what I have been last year till now, we're slowly seeing the steps, and
<br /> the people we need to come across to make this happen and we keep it on the agenda to
<br /> keep it rolling, because of the fact that,we actually, it doesn't seem like it at the moment,
<br /> but we actually do have a lot of support to make this moment. We are just going into fact
<br /> of the process, which is kind of long unfortunate for legislation and stuff like that, but
<br /> right now we do have a lot of people in support of hopefully in amending this, this whole
<br /> eradication process. Just wanting to share with you that.
<br /> DY: Thank you.
<br /> LT: Yes Sir,
<br /> ??: (Steve Araujo) I don't know where you guys were back in 1980, that's when everything
<br /> started 1970— 1978 It started with the con-con, we arrange sections,
<br /> LT: Hold on I going give 3 minutes, we going watch the video, so that way we get time to
<br /> respond.
<br /> ??: (Steve Araujo) Judge Heen, original order stated the birds, and the sheep can live
<br /> together, okay, only thing, the sheep had to be brought down in numbers and managed.
<br /> The state said, "all or nothing, So, all or nothing, because the Judge in turn because of
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