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MR. MELROSE: I just want to raise the question, and this may be a good tim have 50 pages of verbatim minutes that probably took one person four hours per one hour of meeting testimony. I am just wondering if that is as valuable at this point in our conversations to be doing verbatim minutes. I believe the State Reapportionment Commission uses a different format. I believe their meeting minutes are about four pages long and simply document actions taken. As a taxpayer, IÓm concerned that we are spending probably ten hours out of our last meeting and for each subsequent meeting for a lot of learning curve; is really what it is documenting. We are not in the process of yet identifying specific issues or making decisions in significant ways. So IÓm just going to ask the question; is there a reason why weÓre spending that kind of time doing those kind of minutes at this point in the game? CHR. SIRACUSA: Okay, we have somebody here to answer that question. MR. OSHIRO: My name is Rodney Oshiro, Deputy County Clerk. It is, for the Commissions that the Council has been in charge of to do verbatim minutes. This Commission, being what it is, we would continue to do verbatim minutes. We appreciate KarenÓs work in doing this and I donÓt have to pay her overtime. But, we will assist her with other things. If she needs help, we have other staff members who are willing to assist; like Maile and Lali. So we have other staff members who can assist Karen with this duty. CHR. SIRACUSA: Thank you for explaining. I know there has been a concern that this is not the only job that she has; that she has other things on her plate, and with us doubling up on the meetings for the next four months; that is going to put an addit IÓm glad to hear that she will be having some help. Is there any legal reason why it is better to have the transcript rather than just a simple stating of what the motions were and whether they passed or failed? MR. OSHIRO: Well, verbatim is always better. Karen would not have to put everything into a concise manner. ItÓs what it is. ItÓs what you stated, and what you said. There is no if, ands, or buts. Karen just types what she hears on the audio. To me itÓs set. She doesnÓt have to make it concise; and if we have to go to court, this is what we will be CHR. SIRACUSA: Okay, thank you. Mr. Melrose, does that answer your question MR. MELROSE: I think IÓm still going to raise the concern that I think the cost of that is a little unnecessary, but this is your guyÓs ball game in that regard, but it just seems to me unnecessary, but IÓll let that go. CHR. SIRACUSA: Thank you. So we have a motion on the floor and the motion w approve the minutes as presented. We are still in discussion; does any body else have any thing to discuss regarding the minutes? MR. CARVALHO: I have a comment. This is Joe in Waimea. I sort of agree wi doing verbatim minutes. The reason being is this is voluminous minutes to be reading through for the work that we have; and for Karen to be putting out minutes like this. If we have a summary of our meetings, I think that would serve us better; just my thoughts. 6