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KAMELAMELA: - -who's being brought into whatever fight UPW has. Because that's why <br />you're here. <br />GANIGAN: No, but it's unfair to me, too, what's going on. I'm being by- passed as a <br />senior, as a senior in the baseyard, and by- passed by other guys that is below <br />me. How would you feel at work, and then that's happened. These guys- <br />KAMELAMELA: - -Well I think before we get to the <br />CHAIR: - -Wait, first of all, first we need <br />KAMELAMELA: - -have the court decide whether to close it or not. <br />CHAIR: Closed or open. <br />KAMELAMELA: And that could be doneI don't know whether in open or executive session, <br />but we can leave it at <br />PKO: -- voted. <br />CHAIR: Actually, it's discussion, further discussion before I call for a vote to let it go to <br />open or closed session. <br />KK: I don't know. I hear both sides of the argument, but what if we just leave it <br />open and if specific personal matters are to be discussed, then we can stop right <br />there and we'll close it at that point? <br />KAMELAMELA: I want to say something after the Board has this discussion. <br />CHAIR: Yeah, I think if we had a matter in arbitration and we'd basically contain it <br />somewhat. I don't think this should be broadcast to the press at this point. I <br />think you know, because of the —we're only addressing some very specific <br />items here, and we could go astray. I hope that we don't go in closed session <br />on this. I don't know what your opposition to that would be. <br />WJ: I don't see the press here at the moment and who are the two people <br />9 <br />CHAIR: I haven't found that out. Would you please stand and identify <br />MAN (HERMES): My name is Nick Hermes. I'm the personnel management specialist for the <br />Department of Public Works. <br />MAN (NAKASONE): , superintendent of highways, <br />WJ: So I'd like to keep it open. <br />32 <br />