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GILMAN: I would have to go out on my own and <br />KK: He does it on non - County time, doesn't he? <br />GILMAN: Yeah, you like - -what she was saying, if she want to get trained, she can go to <br />Hiram and ask him, oh, I want to get trained, and you what have to—there's a fee <br />to it. <br />KK: My question is, is there any other way that you can get this training, get your <br />license? <br />AL: From the County? <br />KK: Instead of going through Mr. Keliikoa, is there any other way, whether it be <br />County or private? <br />GILMAN: You can be private, if the private company has those machines, yeah, then you <br />come on board, and you saying that yes, I had training, or I ran these machines. <br />And you would have to show proof of it. <br />WJ: And that would be a charge- <br />GILMAN: If you're working for another company and <br />WJ: - -Any idea what the training would cost you? <br />GILMAN: For me, no. I don't have any idea. I didn't go through any private company or a <br />private person to be trained or get my license. <br />WJ: Did you expect the County to train you? Did you expect the County to train you, <br />since you were the senior person? <br />GILMAN: Yeah, they was training, and they are training, you know. Like the next person <br />who's coming up, and if he does pass his , if he has his CDL permit, <br />he can be trained <br />AL: I need a clarification. In order to be trained on all the different machines, the <br />basic thing you have to have is the CDL? <br />GILMAN: No, not basically all machines —it's just truck driving— <br />AL: - -a certain level? <br />GILMAN: Yes. <br />AL: So you have to get your CDL and then you can operate a —you can be trained to <br />operate a big trucker, or something? <br />13 <br />