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CAMBRA: - -I'm not actually sure if he trained him personally or if he had someone, hired <br />someone to train him, I'm not sure on that. <br />AL: But that person went to Mr. Keliikoa's school? <br />CAMBRA: . And this is where I'm trying to figure if an ethical violation <br />did occur, that, you know, the outcome might have been a little different. I'm not <br />hereto say that he didn't do his job, because I think he did. But I'm saying the <br />outcome might have been different if they caught him at a violation ahead of time, <br />and something else was done about it. That is where I stand on <br />AL: Thank you. <br />WJ: And your years of seniority? <br />CAMBRA: I have one guy over me, but I think he signed a paper, and it's known that he <br />won't- <br />WJ: - -how many years senior? <br />CAMBRA: I have twenty fifteen, I'm sorry. <br />WJ: Fifteen years. <br />GILMAN: It's going to be my sixth year next month. <br />WJ: And the person you're talking about that was promoted over you has how much <br />seniority? <br />GILMAN: Pardon me? Over me - -I believe he has three years, maybe more or maybe less <br />somewhere around there. <br />KAMELAMELA: Do we have to put his name? <br />AL: He mentioned a name? <br />I. R ►I RI <br />KK: You know, I'm trying to get set in my mind what the ethical violation is here. <br />And would one of you— someone —give me an idea of the sequence that you go <br />through in order to, you know, the training, the CDL, which, you know, what is <br />the order? <br />CAMBRA: First of all, if you're working for the County, if you're the senior person in the <br />County, they shouldI think they do it once a year —ask if you want to be trained <br />by a trainer. They have a training list, by seniority and . And if you <br />got your name on the training list, when your time come up, you get training. For <br />me, I wasn't on the list. I found out that I wasn't on the list. A guy named <br />15 <br />