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AL: Okay, so he trains people and then audited them, and he also trained in his <br />business. And those people were in the County—he was then the auditor of those <br />people that he had trained in his business? <br />KAMELAMELA: Well, that's why to testify, because I don't <br />think it's going to help. <br />AL: But could I have an answer? <br />KAMELAMELA: I'm not going to answer for Hiram, because— <br />AL: - -Yeah, that's- <br />KAMELAMELA: -- because he's the one that testimony, and they're going to <br />have their opportunity to bring whatever testimony they need, because part of it- <br />they're telling me there's certain things that they don't know about. So I don't <br />want to put words in Hiram's mouth or their mouth. <br />AL: I'll wait on that, then. <br />KI: Mr. Cambra, you say that the County is supposed to provide training to the senior <br />person? <br />CAMBRA: It's in the union contract. <br />KI: It's in the union contract. Do you have that contract? <br />CAMBRA: I have the book. I can look it up <br />KI: Does the senior person <br />CAMBRA: -- endeavor to train the senior person in the baseyard for upcoming promotions. <br />My understanding is, too, what they come up is if they have people that they can <br />audit, you know, they use their people instead of the trained people because it's <br />easier. But now the training —you know if these people go to him on the outside <br />they get trained. I don't know if -- if there's an <br />ethical violation that I feel that I was affected by. <br />GILMAN: Can I say something? From the beginning of how this thing goes, it goes in steps <br />as Labor I and a Labor II, then it comes into a promotion, which is an EO 2 <br />position, where you don't need a CDL to run a grass cutter, a roller, or a backhoe. <br />You don't need a CDL to run those machines, but the CDL part, when you need <br />it, is to operate 10,000 -ton truck, or 16,000 -ton truck. That's when you need that <br />CDL. And that's where we're at, on that promotion, on the CDL part, to operate, <br />why we didn't have a fair chance to get trained. Even when we went through the <br />audit, we didn't pass our audit. Can there be training for us, because we didn't <br />pass it? <br />17 <br />