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WJ: Was anybody in the baseyard being trained subsequently, following May 2003? <br />GILMAN: There was training after —I've been told I would go on the back burner, on the <br />back of the list, because of people who got their license, who was after me, they <br />got audit and they passed. <br />KAMELAMELA: And the person that told you, who was that —your supervisor? <br />GILMAN: Yes. <br />KAMELAMELA: And Hiram is not your supervisor, is he? <br />GILMAN: No. <br />KAMELAMELA: And you never took Hiram's class, right? <br />GILMAN: No. <br />KAMELAMELA: And you knew that Hiram was training people only for CDLs? <br />GILMAN: Yes. <br />KAMELAMELA: Okay. <br />PKO: On or off the job? <br />GILMAN: <br />KAMELAMELA: Oh, off the job. Now you had understood that Hiram Keliikoa had a private <br />business to train people to operate trucks? <br />GILMAN: Yes. <br />KAMELAMELA: Right, and to get their CDL? <br />GILMAN: Yes. <br />WJ: How did you know that? <br />GILMAN: Like what goes around in the County, all the word of mouth, you know, saying <br />that Hiram is training. <br />WJ: Any fliers, business cards? <br />GILMAN: I didn't really see any, but I know of people in our department —(TAPE #1 <br />ENDED — INSERTED TAPE #2). I don't believe he did train. <br />22 <br />