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KAMELAMELA: Okay, that's the question. Did you talk to him and ask him whether he took <br />the class from Hiram? <br />CAMBRA: I think I mentioned to him, but I'm not sure. <br />KAMELAMELA: Okay. To make one point clear, you knew that failure to do the air brake <br />correctly would be an automatic failure. You knew that before Hiram did the <br />performance test, right? <br />CAMBRA: Yes. <br />KAMELAMELA: And that's something that <br />CAMBRA: Well, yes, I guess. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. <br />KAMELAMELA: Okay. But that's something that you read, prior to the <br />CAMBRA: - -I knew it. I'm not sure howl knew it, but I knew it. My thing is not that he did <br />or didn't do his job, that Hiram did not do his job. That is not why I'm here. lam <br />here stating that because, if there's an ethical violation, if they caught it before <br />this, you know, the outcome might have been different, because, you know, <br />Hiram, when he do the performance test, he do the air brakes first. If Manuel <br />Santos did it, he might have done the pre -check first. And you know, what I'm <br />saying is not that he didn't do his job. My concern is I believe if there was a <br />conflict of interest, I feel that I might have lost the opportunity for a promotion, <br />because by doing the testat the exact same time the guy came up to me, might <br />have been different results, a different ways that they can the test, than <br />how they did the performance test. That is <br />KAMELAMELA: - -You agreed with me, that failing the air brakes in the performance test is <br />automatic failure. <br />CAMBRA: Yes. <br />KAMELAMELA: And that's an objective standard, right? If anybody had failed the air brakes, <br />that person wouldn't have passed the performance test, too, right? <br />CAMBRA: I guess. <br />KAMELAMELA: That standard applies to anybody who <br />GILMAN: But he failed because he when shake his friend's hand. That's why he failed. <br />KK: Mr. Keliikoa is here. Do the members of the Board- <br />KAMELAMELA: I don't have any further questions for Mr. Cambra. <br />25 <br />