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KK: I would like to know if he may answer questions directly from the members of the <br />Board, if they have any. <br />KAMELAMELA: I would call Stanley Nakasone, Mac Asato, and Hiram <br />KK: - -after that. <br />KAMELAMELA: Yeah. <br />PKO: Can we take a break? We've been going for an hour. <br />KK: All right. We'll take a ten - minute break. <br />(Break taken from 11:15 a.m. to 11:25 a.m) <br />KK: The regular meeting of the Board of Ethics will reconvene at this time. Are there <br />any questions of Mr. Gilman or Mr. Cambra? No? As I said previously, I've <br />been hearing and not hearing. My left ear is really shot from a cold, but to <br />surmise. Mr. Gilman and Mr. Cambra, you are here to get an opinion on the <br />ethics of the situation involving Mr. Keliikoa, that he used his position unfairly, <br />which prevented you from being promoted to a higher position. Is that it in a <br />nutshell? <br />CAMBRA: I'm saying unfair. I'm not saying that it's unfair. I'm just, you know, saying that <br />if a violation did occur, I'm not saying that he did . My thing <br />here is that if a violation did occur, by being a trainer on the outside and training <br />inside and doing the performance tests. Not that he personally unfair to <br />me on the promotion, on the performance test. I'm just here to seek an opinion if <br />a violation did occur, the outcome could have been different, you know. In other <br />words, why didn't they catch it and do something about it before all this when <br />happen. <br />KK: You are personally involved, and you are representing yourself for your personal <br />case and not anyone else's <br />CAMBRA: - -yes <br />KK: -- situation. Do you feel that his having a private business outside of County time, <br />administering, training people, and when he does the testing or auditing later on, <br />those of you who did not use his training facilities were denied —well, were not <br />promoted. Isn't that the gist of the problem? <br />CAMBRA: No. <br />KK: I'm lost. <br />CAMBRA: No, what I'm saying, Section 2 -24, conflict of interest, that is why I'm seeking an <br />opinion, if a conflict did occur, because you know, he's a trainer <br />26 <br />