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MR. MIDDLESWORTH: Yes, you can do that too. CHR. SIRACUSA: It's a real puzzle. The way it's starting to look is that Puna will lose both Kea`au and Volcano. It`s not just sacrificing one or the other any more; it's losing both ends. MR. MELROSE: I think that is the question. You are going to have to lose Volcano, but you can set this line in an upper and lower Puna scenario. Follow the Puna boundary and make District 4 go all the way down to the shoreline of Puna and District 5 take up the lower Puna area. That way Kea` au stays in Puna and all of Puna stays together, except for Volcano; and it does penetrate quite a distance down there because it is so lightly populated. Puna is going to get its two votes; the question is what happens to the 4,000 votes excess that they carry in population. MR. MIDDLESWORTH: Exactly. MR. KAHAWAIOLA`A: That is the - -- MR. MELROSE: So, they are going to shed it in two directions; there are only two options. One is that it sheds in a Hilo direction, and it shares those votes with Hilo, or it goes in the Ka`u direction, or both to some degree. CHR. SIRACUSA: Another way is to just disregard those predictions for future growth and don't have the lowest possible numbers for the Puna district. MR. KAHAWAIOLA`A: Excuse me, Madam Chair, are you comfortable, being from Puna, saying that we don't need to make the adjustments for growth and that you would like to get the 1,000 votes back there. CHR. SIRACUSA: Right now, the way the numbers are looking, it looks like we might have to make that decision. No. I'm not comfortable with it, but there are a lot of things in my life I am not comfortable with. MR. KAHAWAIOLA`A: I just need to know your train of thought so that we don't -- -I've been quiet during this whole thing, because I don't particularly care where District 4 went, but I'm prepared to look at what is going to happen. What I'm looking at, at this particular point in time, District 3 has always been the Hilo district that had part of Puna. What I'm trying to say is it would be now that a smaller part of Hilo could now be in Puna. Or a smaller part of Puna be in the bigger part of Hilo. Do you follow my train of thought? Now, Hilo, District 3, the majority of votes are in Hilo with some in Puna. The reverse can happen, where the majority of votes are in Puna, with parts of District 3 in Hilo. That's basically how I see it off of Plan _10. But, we will discuss that when we move to the other map. That's why I'm asking if you are comfortable with that? I think Mike has made that one compromise by making room for growth. But if you are saying that we should just stay with numbers - -- CHR. SIRACUSA: I think the adjustments for growth are one of the least important of the many criteria that we have to try to balance. W