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not to split the people, who are the working people, who it was pointed out that this is an old town. We don't want to split them, these people who are working people, who do not come out in force and whipped up by organizers to promote their interests. It would have been - - -You know, I like Waikoloa, because they are okay. But to me they can move to either side. Since they are advocating staying in District 9; alright, maybe I will give them that. We will look at that more seriously. But, we also got to think that there are a whole bunch of people that are not really representing themselves. MS. POINDEXTER: If you look at those people, they are the working people that have more things in common with the people along the Hamakua coastline. Because, Joe, if you go past Puanani, and you go further down, all of those communities are very wealthy communities. Our local people, the working people, cannot afford down there. So, if you are talking about commonalities, Waikoloa, they are a closer part to the Waimea business district, have more in common. If you are going to take all of Waimea, that means we are going to have to split Waikoloa off Then all that Waimea, really, they don't have all things in common. MR. CARVALHO: I can see the lesser of two evils is to go into Waimea instead of taking more from Hilo. Then you have the population of Hamakua; actually Mike pointed out that is going to be 10,000 people that is going to be in the urban area; and they probably have a stronger political base than the Hamakua side. MR. MELROSE: I want to answer your question. I didn't want to get into a specific debate. What we are trying to accomplish here, is we have two alternatives on the table. And the tendency is to want to jump into the middle of a particular issue attention. We have one alternative that is really driven, in large part, by the preservation of Volcano inside the Puna district. As a result, it pushes votes all around the island in a counter clockwise fashion. That is alternative A, and it has the Waikoloa issue; it keeps Waimea together and it cuts Hamakua. What B does, and this is what I think the principle we are trying to do, in order to sharpen our sword on two alternatives, is that a portion of Volcano, a big enough portion of Volcano to be a significant portion, remains in Ka`u. And that Hamakua needs to grow; it grows a little to the south and it grows a little to the north, and you end up splitting Waikoloa. So, the second alternative is really based on a stepping back from the Volcano issue and dealing with the implications of that on the edges of Hilo and Waimea. So we need to get those two alternatives together. We can fight over which direction we want to go ultimately, but the alternative we are creating is that clear alternative. So I don't want to fight over whether we should or shouldn't do that or not, let's just get the alternative right, and then we can look at them all and say okay, where do we come down on it. MS. POINDEXTER: What would your suggestion be then? MR. MELROSE: To answer - -I think this is the question you were asking, Mike? The issue is that basically Plan_B is intending to come up with a solution that has - -- 24