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excuse me, traditional place names in areas of Hilo Paliku, Hilo One and Hilo Hanakahi. In actuality, what Mr. Middlesworth speaks about, Hilo Hanakahi is the back part of Hilo coming up, except from the coastline. So I would defer to his suggestion right now how he'd like to have the lines drawn because again, I'm hearing the overflow of Puna would more than likely I don't think Commissioner Ugalde's representation is going to really-- - We still short someplace yet. MR. MELROSE: I don't think so. I think it's very close. I think you could take all of Puna in 5 and 4, the rest of it. And you could leave two long districts, one with - - -My suggestion is still to use Keaukaha/Pana`ewa and Waikea Uka as the basis of 3. But 3 is your district so, your call. MR. MIDDLESWORTH: I guess what I think you know when we talk about communities of interest and what we're doing and all this stuff is that District 3 as it exists now is much more of a rural district than what you're drawing here. You're putting a huge amount of urban Hilo into that district. MR. MELROSE: I split it. I split the urban and the rural between the two. CHR. SIRACUSA: Jeff please speak into the mic. MR. MELROSE: There's a split between -- -Both seats have urban, both seats have rural, both seats have mauka /makai connectivity, both have Waikea flows as part of that ahupua`a of Waiakea. That's basically what that boundary is; is the ahupua`a of Waiakea. They go you know; both districts have an urban core, one is kind of the shopping center /industrial area, one is the old town and the government center. That doesn't seem odd to me. Living mauka in 2, that up and down Kaimana /Waianuenue whatever the way you get into town it's a mauka /makai link. You can come in multiple different ways to do that. MR. MIDDLESWORTH: I'm not quarreling with that Jeff What I'm quarreling with is that you are changing to a great extent the character of these two districts. We now have a district that is essentially the most urban part of Hilo and we have a district that I'm in that is more rural than it is urban. MR. MELROSE: And that district went to Puna. MR. MIDDLESWORTH: No, that district did not go to Puna. I'm in 3, I'm not in 4. The way it was up until now is you had an urban district that ran down along essentially down along Kanoelehua down in to Puna. MR. MELROSE: The benefits of it are? MR. MIDDLESWORTH: I don't know what the benefits of it are, I'm just telling you that's the way it was and that's what people are used to. And now we're gonna split it so that we're taking -- -We're changing it. Now, you don't want to change Hamakua, you 42